Wikileaks pulled!

[retired_member33]

Its currently hosted in holland by a dutch news network called Powned.

They got some balls for hosting it, wonder how long it stays up.

www.wikileaks.nl ( in english)

 

[jasman]

Pred, I meant right wing, as in far right republican types, the type of people that say the World Trade Centre was brought down with controlled explosions or that the Jews are running the World etc...

I don't see why someone who doesn't believe the 'official story' about the 911 attacks would be 'right wing'. Surely it's not a matter of where one sits in the political spectrum, but just whether one find the story believable.

I think the pentagon attack is the most far fetched part of the official story - the size of the hole is much narrower than the width of the plane, the windows are intact either side of the hole, and there was no plane wreckage on the lawn. It is pretty obvious that a plane didn't crash into it!

 

[GreyWing]

I think the pentagon attack is the most far fetched part of the official story - the size of the hole is much narrower than the width of the plane, the windows are intact either side of the hole, and there was no plane wreckage on the lawn. It is pretty obvious that a plane didn't crash into it!

I can't believe people still believe in all that 9/11 conspiracy stuff. Jasman,you show a plane flying into it to show that it doesn't fit the hole.

You do know that a plane is wider than a missle don't you???

 

[matmat is verified member.]

Most Conspiracy Theorists make me laugh. Ofcourse there is corruption in this world and yes conspiracies. But for them EVERYTHING has to be a conspiracy. Its a way for them to put reason behind messed up things that happen in the world. They would rather think things are "inside jobs" rather than the more likely truth that their country is actualy being terrorised.

Im happy to listen to conspiracy theories and take on board that there may be some truth behind a few of them, but its when people go on about things like they are some kind of aviation or controlled demolition specialists etc that they need to just step back and shut up.

In regards to the 911 attacks experts in every feild have disproved pretty much every conspiracy theory and its quite an insult to the victims to suggest otherwise. I do agree though that the Americans and British used it as a nice platform to go and get their oil!!!

 

[GreyWing]

Quite correct Mat, to say some of the ring leaders of 9/11 weren't CIA trained or instructed is something I can't answer either way. But the physics behind demolition charges and those theories don't add up at all.

I do know from military briefings about Pakistan and the taliban doing crazy things together, and on those conspiracy theories I know to be true. Although can't go into specifics, but not all conspiracy theories are false either. I think as soon as we hear the word conspiracy we think of nutter, but "conspire" is only a word that describes the efforts between 2 or more people.

The one I think is true is the yanks sunk the Kursk, from what I have seen on tv, that looks and fits like the yanks sunk it.

Truth = "a statement or action that fits all known facts"

 

[jasman]

Let's keep conspiracy theories out of it for a minute and just focus on what we can see...

Where is the plane then? It's nowhere to be seen outside the building.

It can't be inside the building because the hole is much smaller than the plane.

So where is it?

Even the reporter on CNN's live coverage said it didn't appear to be a plane crash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

 

[GreyWing]

Let's keep conspiracy theories out of it for a minute and just focus on what we can see...

Where is the plane then? It's nowhere to be seen outside the building.

It can't be inside the building because the hole is much smaller than the plane.

So where is it?

Even the reporter on CNN's live coverage said it didn't appear to be a plane crash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

Where is the plane in this?

 

[anthony]

Maybe Wikileaks can confirm 911 was a set-up.

 

[FagEnd]

What a load of bollocks you are all spouting in this thread.. that's my final word on it

 

[boxerdogboxerdog is verified member.]

if planes didnt hit those buildings, then where have all the people gone that were "supposed" to be on those planes

 

[BREWSTERS]

Where is the plane in this?

You can clearly make out where the wings were by the damage in the picture given we know it hit the building at an angle. That's what is missing from the Pentagon site.

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We went to war illegally against Iraq. That is fact. Saddam was a tyrant but many times more people and families have suffered because of that invasion.
The reason we got away with the invasion, is by lying about the threat they posed. Without the WMD threat, the UK and US could not have invaded. This proves they wanted to invade, rather than needed to. Ask yourself why that is.

Afghanistan. What are we doing there? Supposedly it was to find Bin Laden. According to the (now assasinated) ex leader of Pakistan, Bin Laden was murdered prior to 9/11 and named the man who did it. We have no business there, unless there is business to be done. There is however, a bloody big oil pipeline from the Middle East to the massive Eastern markets.

The thought of a threat keeps the majoirty in line. Once the leaders of the US started rubbing shoulders with the mafia, they soon learnt the value of a well organised protection racket.

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Someone above stated that because of the war, he feels safer in bed. To feel unsafe would be totally irrational wouldn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21us_nOV4gI&feature=related

 

[matmat is verified member.]

You have to remember that the crashes into the twin towers and the pentagon were completely different types of crashes. The buildings are made of different materials, the speeds and angles were different. The plane that crashed into the pentagon hit the ground first before entry and made a roll.

The wings broke off leaving a 90 foot hole which is the distance between engines on that type of plane and 140 foot marks were found on the outside of the building which is the wingspan of this plane. The wings separated where the wings join the fuselage box on impact. The fuel in the outer wings would have exploded. The outer wings would have disintegrated with the combination of impact and explosion. After that and the heat your not going to find much of the plane left!

You should ask yourself this.... If it was an inside job or a setup, wouldnt they make the hole look more like a plane has hit it? They would be trying to trick the public after all.

 

[GreyWing]

You can clearly make out where the wings were by the damage in the picture given we know it hit the building at an angle. That's what is missing from the Pentagon site.

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No what I meant was look at the picture, you can see the tip of one of the wings, then the hole where the fuseagle is but the other wing is not where it should be. There is no damage from the second wing in that picture.

Yet we know for a fact a plane went in there.

 

[jasman]

You have to remember that the crashes into the twin towers and the pentagon were completely different types of crashes. The buildings are made of different materials, the speeds and angles were different. The plane that crashed into the pentagon hit the ground first before entry and made a roll.

How come the lawn outside the pentagon is not all ripped up then? Look at this 58 second clip from a CNN reporter there at the time. He says "There's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWHHid0Pmo

Greywing, you ask where the plane is in your Tower pic. It's in the tower. I agree the hole in your pic is an irregular shape but the width of the hole would undoubtedly be at least as wide as the plane. The width of the Pentagon hole can be seen to be much much smaller than the plane with windows intact eaither side of it. Surely these would have been destroyed by the wings.

In addition, there were many video clips of the planes hitting the towers, so plenty of evidence. No footage has ever been released showing a plane hitting the Pentagon despite the building having hundreds of cameras.

 

[GreyWing]

In addition, there were many video clips of the planes hitting the towers, so plenty of evidence. No footage has ever been released showing a plane hitting the Pentagon despite the building having hundreds of cameras.

Yes but mate there are about 5 million people walking round New York on that day, hundreds of thousands of tourists and only one person managed to get the first plane hit on film, and that was nearly missed. No security cameras, nothing at all caught that first plane to my knowledge. If there was a second hit on the pentagon, then there would have plenty plenty of cameras filming it just like NY.

Now compare that to the Pentagon in Washington, how many people walk round the pentagon with cameras everyday, zero because the secret service come out and tell them to put it away. The numbers of locals and numbers of tourists would have been about 5% of those in New York, the place where only one camera caught the first plane.

But I ask anyone, what was it then that hit the pentagon, why did they hit the pentagon and where has the plane with all those people actually gone to?

 

[jasman]

Yes but mate there are about 5 million people walking round New York on that day, hundreds of thousands of tourists and only one person managed to get the first plane hit on film, and that was nearly missed. No security cameras, nothing at all caught that first plane to my knowledge. If there was a second hit on the pentagon, then there would have plenty plenty of cameras filming it just like NY.

Now compare that to the Pentagon in Washington, how many people walk round the pentagon with cameras everyday, zero because the secret service come out and tell them to put it away. The numbers of locals and numbers of tourists would have been about 5% of those in New York, the place where only one camera caught the first plane.

But I ask anyone, what was it then that hit the pentagon, why did they hit the pentagon and where has the plane with all those people actually gone to?

I agree with all the above Greywing, although a documentary maker caught footage of the first tower but is wan't shown on TV until the next day. Interestingly, Bush got caught out saying that he saw the first plane crash at the time though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

But the pentagon has hundreds of cameras so surely some would have caught the plane. But never mind, let's focus on what we can see. We are still left with the problem. If the plane wreckage isn't outside the building, and the plane can't be inside the building because the hole is much smaller than the plane, then where is the plane?

 

[GreyWing]

I agree with all the above Greywing, although a documentary maker caught footage of the first tower but is wan't shown on TV until the next day. Interestingly, Bush got caught out saying that he saw the first plane crash at the time though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

But the pentagon has hundreds of cameras so surely some would have caught the plane. But never mind, let's focus on what we can see. We are still left with the problem. If the plane wreckage isn't outside the building, and the plane can't be inside the building because the hole is much smaller than the plane, then where is the plane?

Who says they haven't caught it on film? Just becase they haven't released it dosen't mean anything.

It's quite clear you ain't going to believe it's a plane, so lets assume you are right, what are you saying caused the hole?

 

[jasman]

I wouldn't want to speculate what caused the damage, it's anyone's guess. All I'm saying is 124 ft wide planes don't fit into 65 ft holes!

 

[FagEnd]

The moon landings were fake and Elvis is still alive.

 

[crazihoscrazihos is verified member.]

Is it not possible that the plane went in at a 45 degree angle? In that case the wings would hit the roof and floor of the building which are both structurally much stronger than the side wall.

That way the wings would be ripped off by the stronger part of the building and because of the speed would follow into the hole left by the planes fuselage?