The .UK revolution

[diablo]

If you own both the .co.uk and .uk of a domain name, do you now think selling them separately would reap greater rewards than selling them as a pair?

 

[Murray]

If you own both the .co.uk and .uk of a domain name, do you now think selling them separately would reap greater rewards than selling them as a pair?

At the moment yes

 

[domainscot]

Very unlikely to get away with schill bidding on DL , as was the case on a sale that got ran up and then reset recently. The seller on all of those mentioned ( gay, edinburgh, glasgow) is known and doubt would trash reputation for a few grand.

Both domains reached reserve price that was asked.
If the buyer for those names is now refusing to buy them then name and shame them . was same buyer for both are they still allowed to to bid on domains.

What is the problem with those both domains are they going back up for auction.

 

[dee]

Both domains reached reserve price that was asked.
If the buyer for those names is now refusing to buy them then name and shame them . was same buyer for both are they still allowed to to bid on domains.

What is the problem with those both domains are they going back up for auction.

Sorry.... i didnt mean these domains. An auction of a good name got ran up by someone. Denys clocked it as it was happening and the auction got paused then reset to a high bid pre rogue element.

 

[cloud]

Going back over the previous replies in this thread, it seems that after the .UK extension being available to the .co.uk owners for a while, virtually no businesses were interested in the .UK - We have the good resource (https://switchedto.uk) which shows the pitiful amount of more well-known websites switching. c\

I wonder if there are any companies that switched to the UK, that have explained their reasoning?

The list on there are just a few that have switched. Admittedly, it could make for kinda grim reading. We need a bit of a crusade to persuade big companies to switch. I imagine that Nominet would never say anything because they won't want people to switch, I imagine it's not in their interest. Then again it's not in the interests of the companies to switch either.

If I was creating a new company I'd get the .co.uk and the .uk but use the .UK name and redirect the .CO.UK, I just think it looks better.

I sold this name --> https://introvert.uk and I really do think that the domain looks awesome with a half decent website on there.

 

[PhilGreg]

I must admit I'm surprised at the prices some of the domains are going for on DLORE, etc. I just don't (personally) think some of them are worth the money they are fetching. But great for the sellers! Perhaps the bubble will burst? Perhaps it will fly high....!

If you own both the .co.uk and .uk of a domain name, do you now think selling them separately would reap greater rewards than selling them as a pair?

I agree with Murray, that generally they could. However, there could be a number of situations to the contrary, where selling one, devalues the other or makes it so unattractive as not to sell at all.

Going back over the previous replies in this thread, it seems that after the .UK extension being available to the .co.uk owners for a while, virtually no businesses were interested in the .UK - We have the good resource (https://switchedto.uk) which shows the pitiful amount of more well-known websites switching. c\

I wonder if there are any companies that switched to the UK, that have explained their reasoning?

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[newguy]

The list on there are just a few that have switched. Admittedly, it does make for kinda grim reading though. We need a bit of a crusade to persuade big companies to switch. I imagine that Nominet would never say anything because they won't want people to switch, it's I imagine not in their interest. Then again it's not in the interests of the companies to switch either.

If I was creating a new company I'd get the .co.uk and the .uk but use the .UK name and redirect the .CO.UK, I just think it looks better.

I sold this name --> https://introvert.uk and I really do think that the domain looks awesome with a half decent website on there.

Yes, i think we'll see more and more of this. Big companies likely own both and so may well be more inclined to redirect to .uk over time. Certainly sites won't be doing the opposite (moving from .uk to .co.uk) and so its more a matter of the pace of change.

Also as more sites do switch to .uk , it may worry those companies that didn't bother to register the .uk leading to them taking steps to remedy that.

 

[3gmedia]

Gumtree.uk redirects to the .com

 

[newguy]

Gumtree.uk redirects to the .com

That's understandable, just as BBC.co.uk will soon direct to .com . I can't imagine many sites ever redirecting from .uk to .co.uk though , only the other way around.

 

[3gmedia]

That's understandable, just as BBC.co.uk will soon direct to .com . I can't imagine many sites ever redirecting from .uk to .co.uk though , only the other way around.

I have to say i prefer the .uk , just kind of looks neater, cleaner.

 

[martin-s]

I wonder if investment in BOTH .uk and .co.uk will tail off, just because of yet more uncertainty?

 

[jmcc]

That's understandable, just as BBC.co.uk will soon direct to .com . I can't imagine many sites ever redirecting from .uk to .co.uk though , only the other way around.

Perhaps in the future but at the moment, a lot of .uk sites are redirecting to .co.uk sites. It will take a few years of acceptance before there is a major change.

Regards...jmcc

 

[newguy]

Perhaps in the future but at the moment, a lot of .uk sites are redirecting to .co.uk sites. It will take a few years of acceptance before there is a major change.

Regards...jmcc

That's true, but I think it was a matter of reserving them and waiting things out. Where I do agree is that it will take some more big names moving to .uk to set that as a meaningful trend.

Though of course, trend or no trend, setting up a site on .uk in its own right can be successful.

 

[jmcc]

Latest on that .UK survey.

No site/No response: 31.34%
Active: 3.02%
In page redirect: 0.28%
Not found etc: 10.91%
Holding pages: 30.49%
PPC: 7.84%
Redirects: 12.75%
Sales: 1.76%
HTTPS redirect: 1.54%
Unavailable: 0.09%

The websites are still being categorised so some of these percentages will change.

Regards...jmcc

 

[RobM]

Well if people bought uks for development it can take months for a finished site to roll out. I'd revisit at the end of the year and see how it's going.

 

[jmcc]

That's true, but I think it was a matter of reserving them and waiting things out. Where I do agree is that it will take some more big names moving to .uk to set that as a meaningful trend.

A lot of wait and see registrations are are dropped around the third renewal when registrants have to make the hold'em or fold'em decision. If a TLD does not show signs of development then, it generally means that it is going to find it hard to gain new registrations. The worst thing that can happen to the .UK subdomain is that it becomes another .EU ccTLD where people go before being redirected to the relevant ccTLD or .COM website.

Though of course, trend or no trend, setting up a site on .uk in its own right can be successful.

It would be important for anyone setting up a site on a .UK to also have the equivalent .co.uk domain name. Otherwise they will lose traffic to the .co.uk site.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jmcc]

Well if people bought uks for development it can take months for a finished site to roll out. I'd revisit at the end of the year and see how it's going.

This is just a "signs of life" survey of all 01 July 2019 .UK domain names. Websites have a development curve from when their domain names first appear in a zone. Some launch with a working website but others do take months before there's any sign of development.

Regards...jmcc

 

[newguy]

It would be important for anyone setting up a site on a .UK to also have the equivalent .co.uk domain name. Otherwise they will lose traffic to the .co.uk site.

Regards...jmcc

The opportunity to purchase a .uk instead of a .co.uk that would possibly never be available (or may be too expensive), may to a relevant factor in how important it is. It depends how .uk is eventually perceived. We may argue down the line that it was important for .co.uk owners to own the .uk of their domain, even though a great many failed to do so.

It's all guesswork of course, with no firm answers, so i'm just throwing an opinion out there

 

[jmcc]

The opportunity to purchase a .uk instead of a .co.uk that would possibly never be available (or may be too expensive), may to a relevant factor in how important it is. It depends how .uk is eventually perceived. We may argue down the line that it was important for .co.uk owners to own the .uk of their domain, even though a great many failed to do so.

There's a switching cost involved. It can be expensive for a business that has branded with a .co.uk to switch to the .UK. On the web, it is simply a redirect but there's the problem of business cards, letterheads and signage that would have to be changed. It used to be argued that it was important for registrants to own the ccTLD and the .COM versions of their domain names. However, what happens when a ccTLD becomes dominant its market is that the number of unique domain names (they only exist in that ccTLD and not the gTLDs) rises.

It's all guesswork of course, with no firm answers, so i'm just throwing an opinion out there

Hopefully the .UK will take off. Even though it has been around for about five years, this is really its land rush phase and nothing is certain in this period because it could become a massive success. It has about 3.6 million registrations at the moment and that's quite a good start.

Regards...jmcc

 

[newguy]

Hopefully the .UK will take off. Even though it has been around for about five years, this is really its land rush phase and nothing is certain in this period because it could become a massive success. It has about 3.6 million registrations at the moment and that's quite a good start.

Regards...jmcc

Yes, there are lots of unknowns. I would guess in a year to 18 months we should have a good feel of where we're headed with .uk!