September .uk drop discussion

[StudioVision]

Does anyone else find it abit weird that it's now 10:45 on Tuesday and Nominet haven't mentioned anything regarding this? Not a surprise, but weird

 

[Siusaidh]

Wow. Guys you do not know the facts, and Nominet and Fasthosts do. Totally. Everything is documented (thank goodness). I am completely secure about things, and indeed Fasthosts have conceded that. Wizard, Leon should contact Nominet and Fasthosts. They have the facts. Honestly, it's all I'm saying. If Nominet thought I had acted wrong they wouldn't let me be elected I assure you, and that would be right, but anyway what benefits me is not important . The whole system needs review. It's all I'm saying and you have to think what you will.

 

[LCHappy]

did you but it from the owner or not?

 

[super-whois]

Any suggestions on who we should now vote for? Bering in mind we can change our votes!

 

[Murray]

If you're just a member of the public then the "fasthosts told me it's ok" line is fine, how would you know any better

If you're a registrar and participated in this you have no excuse you agreed to Nominets t&c

 

[LCHappy]

If you're just a member of the public then the "fasthosts told me it's ok" line is fine, how would you know any better

If you're a registrar and participated in this you have no excuse you agreed to Nominets t&c

Especially as this is 4 days old now and it is clear what has gone on. Even if you were duped into buying it, to not hold your hands up and give the name back in those 4 days is low.

 

[ian]

If you're just a member of the public then the "fasthosts told me it's ok" line is fine, how would you know any better

If you're a registrar and participated in this you have no excuse you agreed to Nominets t&c

It depends, so for example, if you personally requested some domains from Fasthosts and made it clear they are not yours but would like to take ownership of them during their expiry/suspension, providing you don't then move them to your tag for change of registrant, technically a contract is between you and Fasthosts only (of which Fasthosts own terms, whilst contrary to Nominets, allow them right to do this), and Nominet have no part to play. Where Nominet do have a part is if complaints are made to them, they are compelled to investigate Fasthosts, not that of the individual.

I suspect Fasthosts will argue that the domains were part of the ROR release; registered pre-ROR, not claimed by the deadline and therefore whilst the domains are in the registrants name, they had to request transfer to their account, otherwise Fasthosts would retain control to do as they please. Obviously if these domains were actually showing in owners accounts, that may be different, but for all we know, the contact information assigned to these might have been Fasthosts until transferred. Speculating of course.

 

[Murray]

, the contact information assigned to these might have been Fasthosts until transferred. Speculating of course.

How could FastHosts register domains to themselves when the RoR was to .co.uk owners? couldn't .uk only be registered with the .co.uk registrants details?

 

[armistice]

I suspect Fasthosts will argue that the domains were part of the ROR release; registered pre-ROR, not claimed by the deadline and therefore whilst the domains are in the registrants name, they had to request transfer to their account, otherwise Fasthosts would retain control to do as they please.

Fasthosts can't argue that because they did not obtain explicit consent in the timescales required.

 

[LCHappy]

How could FastHosts register domains to themselves when the RoR was to .co.uk owners? couldn't .uk only be registered with the .co.uk registrants details?

Yes it had to match or Nominet would bounce it

 

[Murray]

Fasthosts can't argue that because they did not obtain explicit consent in the timescales required.

Yes and also "Reserved .uk domain names which were not registered by 25th June 2019"

So registrants had until 25th

Fasthosts were registering them 11th and 12th (maybe other days not sure)

But well before the deadline the registrant could still have registered their corresponding .uk if they so wished

 

[ian]

How could FastHosts register domains to themselves when the RoR was to .co.uk owners? couldn't .uk only be registered with the .co.uk registrants details?

Yep, what I mean is that the owner will be assigned, but I would guess that Fasthosts threw in a condition that the owner of the .co.uk had to request the .uk in order for it to appear in their control panel, else Fasthosts have custody in accordance with terms I think you quoted a few pages back. I speculate entirely that unless someone knows first hand and can confirm, that the .uk's never appeared in the registrants control panel, and they would have to tick a box to accept. I'm hoping this has only been possible on ROR domains and Fasthosts won't allow this on every suspended domain they manage.

Just to add again, domains remain in the name of the registrant (GDPR issue right there) until otherwise transferred away or changed via tag. Those reported as moving today may now have new registrant details on them.

 

[Murray]

. I speculate entirely that unless someone knows first hand and can confirm, that the .uk's never appeared in the registrants control panel,.

What about in their Nominet account?

 

[ian]

What about in their Nominet account?

Only if the domain had the registrants contact information; not just name. For all we know, Fasthosts had a term that meant they remained the contact until accepted by the registrant. Just guessing, but hope that makes sense?

Note - most of these registrants won't know who Nominet is, let alone they have an account.

 

[LCHappy]

The .uk would have had to have been regged in the same ownership and email details as the .co.uk owner. So for a brief period of time, it would have also been in their Nominet account too.

 

[DomainMagic]

Any suggestions on who we should now vote for? Bering in mind we can change our votes!

Didn't realise we could change our votes after they were made?

how?

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[ian]

The .uk would have had to have been regged in the same ownership and email details as the .co.uk owner. So for a brief period of time, it would have also been in their Nominet account too.

That's a good point, email addresses were a validation method unless they had some shady agreement with Nominet! Still think Fasthosts would have added in some condition that the registrant didn't own the domain until accepted into their control panel for renewals, which gives them flexibility to move domains rather than expire, but again, unless we know someone that has an unclaimed .uk, which is unlikely, we don't know for sure.

 

[Murray]

Only if the domain had the registrants contact information; not just name. For all we know, Fasthosts had a term that meant they remained the contact until accepted by the registrant. Just guessing, but hope that makes sense?

But the domain had to be registered to the details of the co.uk registrant

The co.uk had plenty of time to claim their .uk domain is they so wished

The domain would have been in their name and in their Nominet account

Why would not adding a domain to a customer account give a registrar any right to it? they would have to give explicit consent to it being transferred

6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name

They can't have registered the domains to the customers then transferred them to themselves, well I guess they could but it wouldn't be in line with Nominets t&c

 

[LCHappy]

Fasthosts T&Cs

"For UK domain names the transfer of ownership can be actioned via the Our control panel by the person named as account contact at the time the controlling account was secured who shall be deemed the designate of the Registrant with the authority to manage the domain name. The registrant shall be required to agree, in writing to be bound by these terms and conditions."

 

[super-whois]

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