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September .uk drop discussion

Might be in the terms but as far as I can see, there isn't a tick box stating that authority has been given by the domain owner, plus it requires Fasthosts to release them by the sounds of things, so given, not taken. It will probably end in dispute between Fasthosts and Nominet, though I doubt Nominet will rock the boat; the usual!

Correct me if wrong, but if these domains haven't moved tags, chances are they still belong to the original owner and the domainer has kindly renewed the domain for another year.
 
In law you can be prosecuted for putting shopping in your clothing in a manner that suggests you are preparing to steal it. You don't need to walk past the checkout. This would be a similar thing.

To renew it in fasthosts, they must have put it in their own fasthost account and therefore outside the control of the legal registrant.
 
Correct me if wrong, but if these domains haven't moved tags, chances are they still belong to the original owner and the domainer has kindly renewed the domain for another year.

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Don’t recall seeing anything saying I was declaring to be someone I wasn’t as would not have proceeded.

No address or the former owner was seen as domain had my address and no name or email viewed or stored prior to me changing.

released to tag and now in the company name as it was on their behalf I was testing the situation.
 
@gregfindley - No, when you follow the transfer process then fasthost refreshes the process the domains go into your account with your details plus they are renewed for 1 year or however long you wont to renew for... Once they are in your Fasthosts account the details and process is complete... you can then move where ever you want hence why @DomainAngel was able to move to his own tag.

Crazy when you think about it, these domains was taken from someone else's account and put into your account without any kind of verification or approval... to me that theft but i guess if someone is exploiting the terms and conditions then who knows.
 
@Ben Thomas

Please lets move on from these Rob and Ben(Hay) is catching everything. For the last 10 years Rob, Denys and few other have dominate the scene, in fact you could bet that any premium name will fall into either of these guys and now we have Ben Hay.

Just to add, I think all the names caught by Rob are pre-booked, so all those names listed are for probably 30 to 50 people and not for Rob to sat on. These domains would be sold on for profit by the people that back-order it and money get moved around to others. Off cause not the same with Ben (Hay) I assume.

There might be loopholes in the system, that's not for these guys to fix, that's for Nominet who claimed to be a Security company to sort out. Even if they fix current flaws, there will be new ones in the future which will be exploited, these are common in every business, loopholes are there to be exploited until its fixed. Some Loophole could be illegal because it breaks laws some don't, some are just carelessness of the system or service providers. Some service provider will put it in their terms that any loophole must be reported to them. All these is down to Nominet not these guys. We all remember when Gordon Brown makes it illegal for accountant to use any tax loophole without telling the treasury first. Did this stop accountant using loopholes? No, reduces it but not stop it.

Also, it not all loopholes that give these guys advantages, its hours spent on understanding the system and create an edge over competitors. We all cant agree on what is to be ethical or wrong but we can all agree on one thing that, Rob, Denys or Ben or others did not design Nominet system but they spend hours upon hours to understand it and create an edge for themselves.

There will always be new comers into this business and they will come up with better system than Ben, Rob and Denys and this is the reason why Rob and Denys and now Ben have to continue the development of their script to stay on top of the game.

Do I have the time to put into script to be as good as them? No, hence I don't expect to catch as many as they do. I know how hard Rob and Denys works, I cant count how many middle of the night replies I get to my emails over the last 10 years from Rob and Denys, they work hard, day and night and they deserve success that comes to them.
Now we have Ben(Hay), I don't know him, but he must be doing something better than a lot of us hence he's in the league of Rob and Denys.

As per Rob, Denys and few others, especially these two guys have use their skills and time to benefit others, I don't have to agree with everything they do but I cannot ignore the fact that they have helped a lot of people in the last 10 years that I have known these two guys.

I know you did not mentioned Denys, I deliberately mentioned him because he is top dog just like Rob and Ben Hay is now looking to join them. Another person will come in the future too as long as this line of business continue to exist. Also, a lot of us will get tired of this business and move one to be replaced by young energetic hungry people, I just hope Nominet will not make financial requirements to be higher and discourage/disadvantaged people with little resources.

We have issue with TAGS colluding, now we have domainers taking control of domains before it drops, claiming they are testing the loophole but already listed the domains for-sale. Is this against Nominet terms, some might think it is but lets Nominet tells us. I'm just glad that I am able to catch a couple over the last two weeks.

If this is allowed, whats the point of trying to catch a .UK domain?
 
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Crazy when you think about it, these domains was taken from someone else's account and put into your account without any kind of verification or approval... to me that theft but i guess if someone is exploiting the terms and conditions then who knows.

Maybe someone more well versed in law and t&c can clarify but currently it seems very simple

You agree to the registrar agreement and Nominets t&c which are

E.3.6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited
Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name, provided that you
have previously informed the Registrant that you intend to do this and obtained their explicit
consent to your doing so
. Such consent must be obtained no earlier than 30 days before the
date on which the domain name is due to expire, and no later than 30 days after the date on
which the domain name expired. Even if you transfer a domain name in these circumstances,
the original Registrant of the domain name must always retain the right to renew the domain
name in question as set out in paragraph B.1.13 above. You may not transfer a domain name
into the name of a third party under this paragraph

Unless they can prove they had the registrants explicit consent these transfers should not stand and actions should be taken under the sanctions section

https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Registrar-Agreement-Redline-FINAL.pdf
 
@signature - Very well said..

What people don't see and dont understand or perhaps the do but they don't want to admit it because if they admit it then they are giving credit, however, what people don't see is the amount of hard work, time, effort, and money that goes into this behind the scenes.

You have the costs for servers, infrastructure and remember this is not a job until you catch a domain and sell that domain but until that point, you are not making a single penny so all the money, time, and effort spent on catching is basically non rewarded until the time comes (if it ever does come and even if you do catch a domain it could take 10 years to sell that domain).

I spent days upon days working 24 hours round the clock, sometimes sleeping in my office chair at my office desk coding long until the early hours of the morning while most others are fast asleep or enjoying time with the partners, family, and friends ect ect.

Only a handful of people on here will appreciate and understand the amount of work this takes, not just hours of coding but months of coding... Others on here can't comprehend that and don't fully understand it, in fact if they see it in person they would think you are mad but in reality, those that dedicate every second of their time to something is likely going to do better than those that dedicate a few hours here and there... that's just life.

Realistically it took me 12 solid months of coding, and honestly sleeping in my office chair for days on end in order to compete with Denys, Rob and others... there has been many times i cant compete and some times i can compete like you say new people will come along in the future and beat all of us... Again thats life.

However that all being said... i can give people respect for winning via code and skills but what i cant do is give someone respect for stealing domains regardless if its a loophole or not... this Fasthosts thing is taking things to a whole different level.
 
Maybe someone more well versed in law and t&c can clarify but currently it seems very simple

You agree to the registrar agreement and Nominets t&c which are

E.3.6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited
Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name, provided that you
have previously informed the Registrant that you intend to do this and obtained their explicit
consent to your doing so
. Such consent must be obtained no earlier than 30 days before the
date on which the domain name is due to expire, and no later than 30 days after the date on
which the domain name expired. Even if you transfer a domain name in these circumstances,
the original Registrant of the domain name must always retain the right to renew the domain
name in question as set out in paragraph B.1.13 above. You may not transfer a domain name
into the name of a third party under this paragraph

Unless they can prove they had the registrants explicit consent these transfers should not stand and actions should be taken under the sanctions section

https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Registrar-Agreement-Redline-FINAL.pdf

I was playing devils advocate, they've probably all been taken without consent - I'm reticent to use the word illegally because I don't believe this is getting anywhere near a court of law. It's just someone being naughty and spoiling the fun of a few dreamers.
 
Might be more an issue if the customer can fool the system and process all this automatically. From what I've read, an employee has to approve this.

I'm probably wrong, but wouldn't the contract in dispute be between the customer and Fasthosts and therefore their terms apply. If this is easy for anyone to do, then they don't necessarily have any association or knowledge of Nominet. No legal head here so that is my last on the subject.
 
No, they have already added that domain to be transferred/stolen and placed into their account... I would strongly advise you dont get involved because Nominet are aware of this and are working out of hours to investigate it... but its up to you, choose a different domain and the response will be different if that domain has not already been selected by another thief.
 
tct.uk
trm.uk
trident.uk
yummy.uk

Add to the renewed ones.

Also, Recruitment .uk looks like to join the list, I know a lot of are chasing this one but check the Whois and see date of last modification. May be it will still drop but not sure and a bit worried that DAC will be waste on this and who is bold enough to chance it my just end up getting the domain. :)

Update:
recruitment .uk dropped and caught before it was renewed..
 
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@StudioVision was SocialMediaAgency.uk a hand registered domain? I see it dropped on the 6th and you picked it up on the 9th and now its at £750, people are in a bidding frenzy :)
 
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Haven't you all heard? What we're seeing here is the new method of drop catching that Nominet proposed instead of auctions, they just forgot to announce it was in place. Probably..
 

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