Wanted: Service SEO Help

[domainseller200]

WOW ! A genuine offer of help and you throw it back in his face !

 

[storebuilder]

Why get mad?
Because I didnt ask for you to tell me that you think that no one iwill do it,im not asking for free im offering rev in exchange, if they are good then they should start making money, because they will get more traffic for the site, i wasnt asking for you thoughts just weather someone would be interested.

The problem from an SEO's point of view is firstly that you are offering a six months rev share - when it's at the twelve month point that SEO efforts start paying off.

So when the hard work is done they will earn nothing because the site is not ranking and when the rev share deal expires is when the site will be expected to start performing better in search.

That's why your deal doesn't stack up for them.

 

[Blossom]

The problem from an SEO's point of view is firstly that you are offering a six months rev share - when it's at the twelve month point that SEO efforts start paying off.

So when the hard work is done they will earn nothing because the site is not ranking and when the rev share deal expires is when the site will be expected to start performing better in search.

That's why your deal doesn't stack up for them.

If you're not seeing SEO effects on a new site until the 12 month point, you need to sack your SEO (or else stop ignoring their advice). Unless you pick a stupidly competitive niche, you should be at least on the second page of G for some core keywords within three months at the absolute most.

 

[storebuilder]

you should be at least on the second page of G for some core keywords within three months at the absolute most.

Absolutely. I agree. But it's the top three positions that make the money.

And anyway you've given away three months of your six month deal.

 

[chippyb]

Yea hitting the second page was the easy part, got the the top of there in about a month, so its not just getting it to push over.

Ryan

 

[scwebsites]

Chippyb, rather than worrying about getting other people to work on your SEO in return for a cut in profits, which lets face it, nobody with any real SEO skill is going to do, SEO's command £100+ p/h, just try to concentrate on the following...

• Add new content regularly and try to add content that people want to link to
• Make sure you are targeting the right keywords and phrases, it's better to get 300 visitors a day from less competitive keywords, than 20 visitors a day from the most popular keywords
• Make sure your titles, meta tags, alt tags, anchor text, headings, text and navigation are all optimised. There's plenty of info on the net about that.
• Get some links from the good free directories, they may not pass much Pagerank these days but there is still some value
• Make sure you have a blog and write regular posts, mention other industry websites and blogs and they may link back
• Use twitter to meet other people in your industry, it's amazing how many links you can get from just making friends with people
• Ask other bloggers to write a post about your website or services

If you are on page 2 now, with a little work each day... try to get some new links and content on place every day or at least 5 times a week ... you will naturally be on page one in a few months without having to share your revenue.

Hard work pays in this game! If you want to be a successful web developer and only work on your own websites then you need to be prepared to put the hours in. It takes a long time to start earning good money and there are very few shortcuts.

 

[Blossom]

Absolutely. I agree. But it's the top three positions that make the money.

Long tail is worth big bucks

 

[stellar73]

• Add new content regularly and try to add content that people want to link to
• Make sure you are targeting the right keywords and phrases, it's better to get 300 visitors a day from less competitive keywords, than 20 visitors a day from the most popular keywords
• Make sure your titles, meta tags, alt tags, anchor text, headings, text and navigation are all optimised. There's plenty of info on the net about that.
• Get some links from the good free directories, they may not pass much Pagerank these days but there is still some value
• Make sure you have a blog and write regular posts, mention other industry websites and blogs and they may link back
• Use twitter to meet other people in your industry, it's amazing how many links you can get from just making friends with people
• Ask other bloggers to write a post about your website or services

I'm new to this and found this very helpful - thanks!

 

[chippyb]

Long tail is worth big bucks

Could you explain Long Tail in abit more detail for me?

 

[Edwin]

Long tail means the large number of 3, 4, 5, 6 etc. word keyphrases surrounding a topic which individually get few searches but collectively get a ton of searches.

For example...
>furniture
>>oak furniture
>>>oak sideboard
>>>oak cupboard
>>>oak chest of drawers
>>>oak dining room table
>>>>oak veneer dining room table
>>>>solid oak dining room table
>>>>square oak dining room table
>>>>>square solid oak dining room table
etc
etc

More background...
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/tail.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tail
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/29814.htm

 

[chippyb]

Thanks, something to look in to, thats next weekend booked up then doing this lol

 

[Nick11380]

Why wouldn't they just SEO their own site and keep 100% of the profit? In the real world, decent SEO is worth a boatload of cash...

I agree to some extent, however there are good reasons why an SEO would rev share with another company:

- Lack of expertise in the industry in question
- Other skills required such as copywriting
- No need to deal with admin
- Lucrative market that would be difficult to enter without the valuable expertise of partner company

And I'm saying this as an SEO.

Chippy is getting too much flack imo.

 

[chippyb]

Thank you!!! The thing is tho I never said that was the deal, thats what I just put as what I thought at the time, doesnt mean you couldnt have another deal, and I never said when the rev share would start, I said 6 month but never when the 6 months would start. But Yes I have given up on the idea as people seemed very angry that someone would even ask this lol
im just working on my link building now, funny thing is on a site I hadnt been working on a turned over a £685 sale so im obviously doing something right.

Ryan

 

[stellar73]

I think you got too hard a time too....You were only asking opinions on a subject you didn't know much about, nothing wrong with that, sounds like you're doing well so far in any case!

 

[chippyb]

Thank you again, its nice seeing that people understand why I ask what I did, yea been working hard on one site, so forget about the other and all of a sudden I get that sale come through on it.

 

[AssetDomains]

Nice sale mate hope converts was that on your london hotel site

 

[chippyb]

Na it was on my edinburgh site that I really havent done anything to it until it went live, so only traffic from bing where it ranks 1st and in a couple of days it turned over 700 quids worth of sales,

 

[scwebsites]

Hotel listing websites are notoriously hard to rank in Google because of the competition, and you will find that giving each hotel a description other than that provided by Late Rooms will help you (Written By You). You ideally need to be providing information or features that other sites are not.

It won't be hard for Google to algorithmically work out that they are affiliate sites, so without unique content you will find it hard rank high. That unfortunately means that each hotel would benefit from a unique description and you should try and include lots of information about the local area.

 

[chippyb]

hmmm yea I do understand that, but the biggest problem is that for example, I have over 600 hotels for my london site, thats going to take some time!! lol

 

[scwebsites]

Indeed, but that's the way things are going now.