Removed catching thread.

[PoshTiger]

Oops Thanks.

 

[DaveP]

I'm as sure as I can be that this has nothing to do with multiple TAGs/allowances.

Care to explain how you're so sure though?

Note I am not accusing anyone of anything, haven't done so once. I'm curious to hear both sides of this story.

 

[grantw]

Care to explain how you're so sure though?

Sure - hard work and research

 

[grantw]

Once more, you cannot run one DAC allowance at full speed for more than just over 7 hours. Therefore there is certainly a benefit in having more than one to allow 24 hour coverage. Anyone wish to dispute this?

Don't dispute that at all, in my opinion it's not what's happening in these cases.

Grant

 

[ian]

You don't appear to want or be able to qualify your opinion, unfortunately. Can you give us any reason why you don't think certain people are making use of multiple allowances, after all you aren't disputing that multiple DAC allowances gives better 24h coverage?

Can you give any reason to substantiate that they are?

I don't care either way, but this is bordering on going the same way as the other thread.

 

[AssetDomains]

Once more, you cannot run one DAC allowance at full speed for more than just over 7 hours. Therefore there is certainly a benefit in having more than one to allow 24 hour coverage. Anyone wish to dispute this?

No not at all but to clean up like one person did with hundreds of other tags chasing the same names you would need a lot of accounts.

The people were catching any time in the 24 hour period.

Given 100+ tags chase then on average for a hundred tags each name would being polled once every 2ms if each worked on a 24 hour cycle.

So to make multiple tags theory work you would need a 100 working in perfect harmony just to have a 50/50 chance of being first to the name

So yes more tags give you an advantage obviously but it would take a stupid amount of TAGS to do what one person was able to do earlier this year if multiple accounts was the answer.

 

[DaveP]

Sure - hard work and research

Must be some really obscure exploit that isn't easy to spot, if it is a bug that is. I'm sure yourself, like me, has spent (maybe too much) time looking into this now.

 

[PoshTiger]

If I posted what I know, it would be removed. However, in general terms, it isn't difficult to see that operating several tags in concert isn't perfectly possible. The obvious counter argument is "but it would be noticed". The obvious counter argument to that is "people would say it was a witch hunt and actually down to something else".

You seem very interested in catching even though you're not catching yourself.

Why are you so bothered about it?

 

[ian]

If I posted what I know, it would be removed. However, in general terms, it isn't difficult to see that operating several tags in concert isn't perfectly possible. The obvious counter argument is "but it would be noticed". The obvious counter argument to that is "people would say it was a witch hunt and actually down to something else".

That's fine, then based on the data you don't wish to share (which is fair enough), I hope you will report to Nominet and let them decide. That is ultimately all one can do!

I just can't see multiple tags being the reason, multiple tags, same epp, trying to get the timings within ms of each other to cover all times! But then I don't know the first thing about script, just an outsider looking in. There must be more to it.

 

[SF]

There is another way, you can get a job at nominet on the quite plug your laptop into there connection and hammer like fuck

 

[Murray]

Lets say you have a way of "cheating" using a method that Nominet doesn't allow

Wouldn't it make sense to use it sparingly? cherry picking only a few nice domains over time as to not arouse suspicion

If you're catching everything you breed interest, interest brings eyes and accusations

You would have to be silly to be so heavy handed catching everything.

 

[SF]

Who the fu77 is to blame for waking invicible up

 

[grantw]

You don't appear to want or be able to qualify your opinion, unfortunately. Can you give us any reason why you don't think certain people are making use of multiple allowances?

That's the problem, I can't/won't because it would wipe out all my own work and research in an instant. I don't know what you've seen regarding multiple allowances but as I said, in my opinion it's definitely not happening here.

Grant

 

[tifosi]

I am glad you now admit that having more tags gives an advantage. It is OBVIOUS like you state. Here's something else that is obvious, everything being equal, more resources would give exponentially better coverage of the 24 hour drop period.

Not tags, memberships. Different thing. Running multiple memberships is not allowed, as is pooling memberships.

You can have as many tags as you want on a membership. You only get one dac account.

 

[DaveP]

Nevermind, misread post above.

 

[AssetDomains]

You actually don't how many, or how few, DAC allowances could be operating at any one time. This "hundreds" is something you cannot substantiate since you're not Nominet.

No but whenever I've asked in the past there's been a general consensus that 100+ tags chase regular

How would you know they were covering the entire 24 hour period equally? Again, you wouldn't know. You're not Nominet.

I don't for sure but given they have both picked up names that have droped outside 7 hour windows you have to assume this or they know when approximately a name will drop. As this is meant to be random if they do they have found a bug in the system

List these 100+ tags here. I bet you cannot do that.

Just repeating what you said before

You're making the numbers up to suit your arguement and attempting to make things out like they must be impossible due to requiring an inordinate amount of resource. Good try though.

I am glad you now admit that having more tags gives an advantage. It is OBVIOUS like you state. Here's something else that is obvious, everything being equal, more resources would give exponentially better coverage of the 24 hour drop period.

I'm not sure were you get the exponential idea from care to explain it a bit more not being funny just want to understand youre line of thinking

But its hard to talk numbers without exact figures so do you or anyone else wish to post an approximation on how many tags chase a good names regularly.

 

[tifosi]

We've had it all ways over the years, many -> one, one -> many.

In the end only a handful have been caught/reprimanded and I don't ever recall domains being taken away.

Sometimes it's years down the like before it gets dissected when domains are moved around / parcelled out as denys did with one notable culprit from the prenom era.

It was worth it then for the risk - reward. It's not now.

 

[SF]

Someones crying like a big baby awwww TM not paying so well baldy

 

[SF]

I do wonder how so many people reading this thread probably aren't getting any work done today.

Ill take today off - its been a great morning of domain sales

 

[SF]

why are you not biting invincible