Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[aZooZa]

Personally I think all .org.uk owners should get first crack at the .uk. Given that they're all non-profit organisations or charities it seems like the right thing to do. They've had to endure years on the lesser extension and as they don't make any money, they should be given the first refusal. Perhaps a deal where the non-profit .org.uk is awarded the .uk domain and the .co.uk (commercial) entity then has first refusal to buy it from them. Given that only charities use .org.uk it seems a fair thing to do and will give them the funding they need to make a difference in the world.

Please don't make any more daft suggestions. Nominet tend to adopt them.

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[TinkyWinky]

Personally I think all .org.uk owners should get first crack at the .uk. Given that they're all non-profit organisations or charities it seems like the right thing to do. They've had to endure years on the lesser extension and as they don't make any money, they should be given the first refusal. Perhaps a deal where the non-profit .org.uk is awarded the .uk domain and the .co.uk (commercial) entity then has first refusal to buy it from them. Given that only charities use .org.uk it seems a fair thing to do and will give them the funding they need to make a difference in the world.

Please don't make any more daft suggestions. Nominet tend to adopt them.

Nah - this IS Nominet trying to sow some seeds for another hair-brained scheme.

 

[Skinner]

I'm going to say your boss should apply for the job opening at nominet because he's just as fecking clueless as them

My boss is really worried about it. Just this morning he called a meeting saying that if we don't acquire the .uk version of our domain he'll have to lay off 10,000 staff. Worrying times for businesses!

 

[Nigel]

There are tons of scenarios. Obviously nobody is going to buy from a .co.uk when a .uk comes out! They'll just think it's a cheap copy of the company they're really looking for. Honestly, if .co.uk businesses don't get the .uk version of the name then they may as well just close up shop! It'd be an absolute disaster for them. I for one will completely boycott any online business that doesn't have the .uk version of their name. How can you take them seriously? They can't even afford a proper domain name, no way they'll provide a good product or service. My boss is really worried about it. Just this morning he called a meeting saying that if we don't acquire the .uk version of our domain he'll have to lay off 10,000 staff. Worrying times for businesses!

Is your company first in line for the .uk under nominet's latest proposals? or is your company's domain predated by another .uk extension?

 

[Rob_F]

I don't think he's being serious? Sure as hell hope not.

- Rob

 

[Jump]

Personally I think all .org.uk owners should get first crack at the .uk. Given that they're all non-profit organisations or charities it seems like the right thing to do. They've had to endure years on the lesser extension and as they don't make any money, they should be given the first refusal. Perhaps a deal where the non-profit .org.uk is awarded the .uk domain and the .co.uk (commercial) entity then has first refusal to buy it from them. Given that only charities use .org.uk it seems a fair thing to do and will give them the funding they need to make a difference in the world.

Yes but this is your subjective perspective. Nominet are seeking to be as objective as possible. I have no interest in assigning any of my domain assets or rights to any charity. None whatsoever; I want to make a profit.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I'm not saying you should give your domain to charity. I'm saying Nominet should give the .uk domains to charity. Think how much money they charities around the world could make in selling their new .uk domains to commercial .co.uk owners.

I think people should do more for charities. At least Monkey is doing the right thing by donating some of his earnings to charities when he could be blowing it on cars, drugs and hookers.

 

[Jump]

I'm not saying you should give your domain to charity. I'm saying Nominet should give the .uk domains to charity. Think how much money they charities around the world could make in selling their new .uk domains to commercial .co.uk owners.

I think people should do more for charities. At least Monkey is doing the right thing by donating some of his earnings to charities when he could be blowing it on cars, drugs and hookers.

Yes, but again, this is based on *your* subjective values, and is not consistent with Nominet values, that underpin their strategy/objectives.

But if we are promoting our personal views: I for one think it is a bad idea...Nominet are not there to give to charities.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Isn't everyone posting here sharing their personal views? I don't see any opinions for the general greater good. Everyone seems to have an agenda. It only seems to be the people with a large .co.uk portfolio who are making a fuss.

 

[foz]

Isn't everyone posting here sharing their personal views? I don't see any opinions for the general greater good. Everyone seems to have an agenda. It only seems to be the people with a large .co.uk portfolio who are making a fuss.

This is a domain name forum, what do you expect?

 

[newguy]

This is a domain name forum, what do you expect?

You're right but so is he in a sense. It doesn't hurt to think beyond our own personal position. I think we can all agree that the .uk proposals have caused chaos for a long time now. Realistically there would be more stability in the uk space if people stuck to their guns and .uk died a death. That won't happen though because of self interest and human nature.

 

[Jump]

Isn't everyone posting here sharing their personal views? I don't see any opinions for the general greater good. Everyone seems to have an agenda. It only seems to be the people with a large .co.uk portfolio who are making a fuss.

Greater good? I have no interest in my domain names supporting the greater good. I want them to make a profit.

Most people are commenting as to what would be the most equitable way of allocating the second level names; albeit influenced, quite reasonably, by their own circumstances.

You want to give the second level names away for the benefit of charities.

Nominet cannot do that. They need to act in the interests of all name holders. To do otherwise would be unconscionable.

 

[Retired_Member42]

For the second time, I'm talking about .uk - now unless I've missed something, you don't own any - yet.

The charity comment was a tongue in cheek joke as a result of the nonsense about .org.uk only being used for non-profit. Anyone who knows me on here knows I own or am associated with high end .org.uk, .co.uk domains. I've got a number of well ranking .co.uk names who will lose to the .org.uk or me.uk and I've also got a lot of profitable sites on .org.uk extensions also. Whatever the proposal, I'll win some and lose some but rather than telling Nominet what they should do to suit my own agenda, I'm taking the steps to secure what I need to cover all bases - whatever the proposal.

When the .uk extension was thrown out there, everyone was against it. Now it's the .co.uk owners who are against it as some stand to lose to lesser extensions or perhaps just the fact that the people with the awful domain portfolios don't want to drop £20 - £50k on securing additional extensions - even if they are offered them at reg fee. As I said, everyone has their own agenda and are not thinking if the .uk domain is good as a whole.

Greater good? I have no interest in my domain names supporting the greater good. I want them to make a profit.

Most people are commenting as to what would be the most equitable way of allocating the second level names; albeit influenced, quite reasonably, by their own circumstances.

You want to give the second level names away for the benefit of charities.

Nominet cannot do that. They need to act in the interests of all name holders. To do otherwise would be unconscionable.

 

[aZooZa]

The first order of business is to prevent Nominet taking OUR trousers down before we pull up those belonging to charities.

 

[Jump]

As I said, everyone has their own agenda and are not thinking if the .uk domain is good as a whole.

Including Nominet. Their agenda is, in part, commercialisation of the second level. That has caused much of the problem.

 

[scooter]

Here's athought.......

This is all about raising revenue and perhaps raising "UK" awareness? by .uk

Maybe they did cock up and it should have been .uk from the start. Why introduce another level and open it up to all sorts of problems. Why not make a smooth transition from co.uk to .uk?

1. Anyone with a co.uk domain is automatically given the .uk

2. The day .uk goes live, .co.uk becomes obsolete. No more co.uk registrations allowed. As co.uk names drop, they are gone forever.

3. Persons outwith the UK that have a co.uk are still given the .uk. All new registrations of .uk must have a UK address.

4. All registrants of co.uk are given a 5yr grace period where co.uk will still operate. This gives companies ample of time to slowly rebrand and drop the "co" from their adverts, sationery and whatever.

At the end of the 5yrs, all existing co.uks die.

So a smooth transition from co.uk to .uk. No confusion and makes .co.uk redundant immediately and dies a slow death for existing registrations.


So this leaves the revenue part :roll:
I have been paying the same registration costs (i'm sure, without looking) since 1999!

Just increase the cost of all extentions. £5 is buttons for anyone. Make them all £10




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[Retired_Member38]

Won't work as people have links on websites from 5-10 years ago. Now these links are completely broken (from both a user and a search engine point of view)

Also lets be realistic here... dropping .co.uk completely and replacing it with .uk isn't going to achieve anything. They want more sites being built so they need them as separate domains. And the number 1 aim is more revenue - so they need 2 reg fees.

 

[Retired_Member42]

2. The day .uk goes live, .co.uk becomes obsolete. No more co.uk registrations allowed. As co.uk names drop, they are gone forever.

So people have to let all their customers know to use .uk, change all their advertising and not to mention the SEO implications of such an absurd proposal? You do know there are people who use their .co.uk domains for live, money making businesses right? They're not all just held by domainers.

 

[scooter]

I am thinking about it from a business perspective and not a domainers.

Opening up another level IS a domainers heaven and businesses nightmare.

The domain still operates as usual for a period of 5yrs. Business as usual. 5 yrs is more than long enough considering co.uk disappears forever.







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[Retired_Member38]

The domain still operates as usual for a period of 5yrs. Business as usual. 5 yrs is more than long enough considering co.uk disappears forever.

Help me out here then, as I'm struggling with this part. I have some sites on .co.uk that were featured in the BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, etc etc. They linked to my .co.uk site.

Are you saying that in 5 years, when people find these articles about my business and try and visit my site, they'll get a 'page not found' and assume I've closed shop?