Nominet announces new policy consultation for expiring .UK domains

[Murray]

Skimmed through that, sorry it's a waste of time to read you lie

You know what you were doing, I know what you were doing

You give yourself an out by dressing up things you say around it you aren't stupid, nasty but not stupid.

 

[mcrick]

That comment is total win, Rob.

And even if they did not foresee it happening in October 2017 with Namesco and 123-Reg (which I find totally unbelievable with regard to the Executive), when they re-ran the promo in June 2019, that was completely "eyes open" - they'd seen what had happened in October 2017, and they didn't think it would happen again in June 2019?! That's complete nonsense.

This was blatant facilitation of mass-registrations that they knew were almost certainly going to happen.

When the agreed and promised 5 years were up, and the unclaimed .uk domains became available, 2,800,000 domains were not released because they'd been mass-registered without the request of the registrants themselves - totally contrary in my view to several RRA clauses (specifically Clause 3.2 and 3.2.3, and also 3.2.6, 2.8 and 2.8.1).

Quite obviously the Board would have realised on subsequent occasions that some retail registrars might engage in bulk registering domain names for their customers using the free two years promotion. Naturally it would have been discussed and felt that as long as registrars acted in accordance with the RRA, as has already been discussed but you haven't specifically commented on, it was a potential benefit for Rights holders.

What part of "You must not request a transaction if the Registrant you identify to us in the transaction has not instructed or requested you to act on its behalf" do they not understand?

They do understand that but you don't understand what's already been explained to you and have avoided, so far, commenting on it.

They were registering domains that the original registrants just didn't want and hadn't requested. By the end of September 2020 .uk will have haemorrhaged 2,300,000 domains from .uk's peak. The policy of 'laissez-faire' by Nominet (to boost registrations and just let those companies police themselves) brought disrepute but achieved almost nothing.

I am afraid you simply can't accurately state that such registrants didn't want these domain names because you couldn't possibly know this. If you did have such an amazing skill every registrar would wish you as their employee.

I cannot escape the personal view that what occurred here was really poor judgment. The free registrations helped these large companies as they went ahead with the circumvention of RRA rules, and then the Executive sat back and watched.

How exactly do you think it helped the registrars that participated (some with lots of DUM, some with far fewer) but didn't help their customers?

Some people think I'm obsessed with a single issue. I'm not. I'm obsessed with fair process.

Mainly what in your opinion was an unfair process relating to this single issue that began almost three years ago.

My concern with this episode of the mass-registrations is that I think it demonstrates the way 'arrangements' between Registries and really large Registrars can be damaging to the public perception of due process. I am not being negative in this. I want Nominet to flourish. But the UK namespace is not the private fiefdom of a few big tech companies. It is UK national infrastructure. It is vital it is run with best standards that can be trusted. If these large registrars can hijack agreed process, and do their own thing (and the Executive basically said it wasn't Nominet's business - even when the RRA clauses were circumvented - it was up to the big companies to police themselves)... if the largest registrars can dominate policy outcomes to this extent, then that is very concerning... not only in the past but for the future as well.

I think you're failing to look at the wider picture of why the promotions were even offered. Nominet obviously wanted to give every Rights holder the best opportunities to take up their Rights prior to them being extinguished. You seem to be suggested that Nominet, and the retail registrars that acted as they did, should have done less to try to achieve this outcome.

Skimmed through that, sorry it's a waste of time to read you lie

You know what you were doing, I know what you were doing

You give yourself an out by dressing up things you say around it you aren't stupid, nasty but not stupid.

A very unpleasant response by you when challenged with the facts of what were actually posted rather than your disgraceful attempt at distorting it. Maybe you're the one with the problem.

 

[davedevelopment]

@mcrick having read back your own posts, do you just get self-righteousness, or do you actually consider that you might have said something inappropriate?

I'm not sure to make of you, you're good at putting your points forward, but you rarely consider others or their points and generally come across as severely dislikeable.

 

[Siusaidh]

David, David, David...

You've got it all the wrong way round.

Rather than interrogating me, tell your CEO to come here to this forum and answer questions from people here.

He's the person with questions to answer on a number of issues in my opinion.

 

[JMI]

The problem is I appreciate your passion but you've not really been involved in the UK domain industry long enough to appreciate certain nuances, this is often demonstrated often your lengthy posts.

 

[susannah]

Nah, I've been here since 2011, dear newbie. Been UK domaining since 1999. I was more interested in ICANN in the beginning, and very active in their politics, on the same old theme of rules, enforcement, laissez faire, and conflicts of interest. I gradually grew more concerned about the UK's namespace. But you're right, that I could write more succinctly!

 

[JMI]

Nah, I've been here since 2011, dear newbie. Been UK domaining since 1999. I was more interested in ICANN in the beginning, and very active in their politics, on the same old theme of rules, enforcement, laissez faire, and conflicts of interest. I gradually grew more concerned about the UK's namespace. But you're right, that I could write more succinctly!

So you've been hand reg/catching since 1999 - you must have quite a collection of great domains then?

 

[signature]

@mcrick

You need to be human and apologise when you are shown to be wrong. You are making some valid points and throwing some insult within it makes your points to be ignored.

We are different people with different views and we have a forum here to voice our views. All we can do is respect each other's view, agree on some and agree to disagree on others.

 

[signature]

So you've been hand reg/catching since 1999 - you must have quite a collection of great domains then?

A lot of us were registrars in 1999 but more interested in .COM than .co.uk and not wise to how valuable these .co.uk will be.

Also not many catching was going on then, its all registering and mostly by signed emails.

You could have been registrar since the 90s with only a handful of domains to show for it.

 

[signature]

@Siusaidh
Thanks for the comments, I signed the petitions because to a lot of people, this is their only income and taking that away just like that is callous.

Also, Nominet should not make secondary market another income stream, they already run a monopoly and adding secondary market to it should not be allowed.

Some of us here will remember the fight in the .COM space in the 90s when Network Solutions have the monopoly to .COM and the secondary market. .COM use to cost about £120 for 2 years and many new registrars have to fight for this to stop. I think we are at that stage now when a Registry wanted to have monopoly of everything to do with .UK name space.

Nominet already have income enough to run the registry many times over and if the directors wanted to do diversify they should resign and setup a new company. Trying to move into cyber security that is dominated already by big players.

I cant see CyGlass going to be a successful large company, the success I can see here is been bought again by a bigger company like Amazon or Azure or similar company. Most of their services is already free with most cloud companies and no need to buy their services at all.

If Nominet want to be a cyber security company, they should stop using registry income, separate it from Nominet and lets see how it will survive.

Lastly, how can Nominet justify a salary increase of £300k in one year to the CEO, what have Nominet achieved to justify this? Also all directors remunerations increase by 60% in one year. Why and what for?

Nominet have made members and many small registrars irrelevant, this is not right and at this rate, members will leave anyway since there will be no reason or value in membership.

I am not sure about the members figures few years ago, but I think it was about 4000 at its peak and if Nominet continue this way, members will leave, may be this is their intention.

Lets get the signature to 100 and see what happen.

On another note, lets enjoy our Sunday, I can't wait for Chelsea to clinch champions league position today. ManU and Leicester fans, nothing personal .

 

[Siusaidh]

I don't understand why a Director gets paid about £1632 a day (CEO even more) when a nurse saving people's lives gets paid about £108 a day.

If I get elected, my daughter's children's centre in Uganda will get the windfall. Their poverty and deprivation are pitiful. I'm perfectly happy with what I've got.

Good luck this afternoon - but don't underestimate Wolves! My own team, Arsenal, have the Cup Final next Saturday, that's our only hope of European Football.

In Fantasy Football, there was a league set up here on this forum. I am currently trailing in 60th position out of 70 teams. I don't know how other people here are doing.

Things are much closer in a personal league with my son. With just today's matches to go, after a whole season:

Son: 1706 points

Me: 1703 points

I badly need Mason Mount NOT to score as my son has him, and (apologies) I need Jimenez to score a hat trick this afternoon against Chelsea. I don't mind if Chelsea win 5-3 though!

 

[3gmedia]

I don't understand why a Director gets paid about £1632 a day (CEO even more) when a nurse saving people's lives gets paid about £108 a day.

Is that before tax?

I do believe nurses should get at least an extra £10k a year.

Doctors/consultants & Gps get enough, my better half works for a consultant & gp who quite often leave their wage slips around the house, they certainly get paid enough.

 

[Siusaidh]

Yes, that's before tax. I get paid a bit more because I'm a Senior Clinician. My pay in a year is identical to what I will be paid as a Director for 23 days' work.

I'd agree with you, that £10,000 a year more would be a fair and modest adjustment for basic band 5 nurses.

However, my primary concern is that Nominet, as a company, is run with integrity, with the big registrars kept at arms length, to avoid appearance of bias and undue influence.

 

[signature]

Good luck this afternoon - but don't underestimate Wolves

Thanks, we can't underestimate wolves, they need win to keep their current position and they don't concede goals easily. I will take 5-3 to Chelsea too , so you get your hat trick but a draw is good enough for us.

 

[3gmedia]

However, my primary concern is that Nominet, as a company, is run with integrity, with the big registrars kept at arms length, to avoid appearance of bias and undue influence.

Strange thing happened on Friday when i tried to vote, the online form didnt have me listed as a member of Nominet, i've sent an email so waiting for a reply.

 

[super-whois]

Strange thing happened on Friday when i tried to vote, the online form didnt have me listed as a member of Nominet, i've sent an email so waiting for a reply.

That's because voting hasn't opened yet. so not sure where you found the form. "Voting will run from Tuesday 1 September 2020 until 1pm on Friday 18 September 2020. Your voting email will be sent to you on the day voting opens."

 

[Nigel]

I was given this link if anyone wants to sign a petition:

http://www.agm.org.uk

now up to 41 signatures - only takes a minute to sign

now 50!

 

[SF]

The end of drop catching?

 

[mcrick]

@mcrick having read back your own posts, do you just get self-righteousness, or do you actually consider that you might have said something inappropriate?

I'm not sure to make of you, you're good at putting your points forward, but you rarely consider others or their points and generally come across as severely dislikeable.

Thank you. No,I definitely don’t consider I have said anything inappropriate. If you think I have, feel free to tell me over private message. I think you’ll find it hard to pin down what you actually think it was.

Rather than interrogating me, tell your CEO to come here to this forum and be interrogated by us.

“Interrogated” is a tad strong. Questioned about you candidacy but you don’t seem to want to answer many of the questions!

In fact, I invite Russell and Nick to come here, and participate in a Q&A Webinar.

You have the opportunity to send him an email, attend and question at the AGM or attend and question at the forthcoming virtual roundtable if it’s to do with the current consultation.

You had the opportunity to appear in your own video, but you didn’t do. You also had the opportunity to record your answers to questions but you seem to be choosing not to. Why don’t you appear to want people to see what you’re really like, choosing instead to hide as far as possible behind a keyboard?

The problem is I appreciate your passion but you've not really been involved in the UK domain industry long enough to appreciate certain nuances, this is often demonstrated often your lengthy posts.

I couldn’t agree more.

Nah, I've been here since 2011, dear newbie. Been UK domaining since 1999. I was more interested in ICANN in the beginning, and very active in their politics, on the same old theme of rules, enforcement, laissez faire, and conflicts of interest. I gradually grew more concerned about the UK's namespace. But you're right, that I could write more succinctly!

So you've been hand reg/catching since 1999 - you must have quite a collection of great domains then?

Is anyone aware of any commercial activity involving Susannah and the domain name industry?

@mcrick

You need to be human and apologise when you are shown to be wrong. You are making some valid points and throwing some insult within it makes your points to be ignored.

I’ve not insulted anybody but I’ll be sure to make it clear when if I am doing. Please tell me by Private Message where specifically you are sure that I’ve been throwing insults. I don’t think you’ll be able.

A lot of us were registrars in 1999 but more interested in .COM than .co.uk and not wise to how valuable these .co.uk will be.

Also not many catching was going on then, its all registering and mostly by signed emails.

You could have been registrar since the 90s with only a handful of domains to show for it.

Do you mean registrar or registrant because there was only one registrar in the late 1990’s (Network Solutions). Were you referring to being a Nominet member and tag holder?

@Siusaidh
Thanks for the comments, I signed the petitions because to a lot of people, this is their only income and taking that away just like that is callous.

Who are these “lot of people” you cite that this is “their only income”? Please tell us WHO?

Also, Nominet should not make secondary market another income stream, they already run a monopoly and adding secondary market to it should not be allowed.

They don’t run a monopoly because .COM is a viable competitor with double digit numbers of registrations in the same markets as .uk. All registries are the sole providers of their extensions, as can only be the case, but it is not the only viable choice.

Some of us here will remember the fight in the .COM space in the 90s when Network Solutions have the monopoly to .COM and the secondary market. .COM use to cost about £120 for 2 years and many new registrars have to fight for this to stop. I think we are at that stage now when a Registry wanted to have monopoly of everything to do with .UK name space.

Can you cite any online source that details this? Any document? Any news article anywhere that you can evidence to corroborate what you claim to remember from over twenty years ago, please?

Nominet already have income enough to run the registry many times over and if the directors wanted to do diversify they should resign and setup a new company. Trying to move into cyber security that is dominated already by big players.

Different issue. Niche produces can gain transaction in new arenas if they are ahead of the time.

I cant see CyGlass going to be a successful large company, the success I can see here is been bought again by a bigger company like Amazon or Azure or similar company. Most of their services is already free with most cloud companies and no need to buy their services at all.

I highly doubt you understand the products or areas that CyGlass’s products belong in and I wouldn’t expect you to without having researched it.

If Nominet want to be a cyber security company, they should stop using registry income, separate it from Nominet and lets see how it will survive.

It’s Nominet’s income, not registry income. Do you tell Tesco what they may do with the money they receive from your weekly shop?

Lastly, how can Nominet justify a salary increase of £300k in one year to the CEO, what have Nominet achieved to justify this? Also all directors remunerations increase by 60% in one year. Why and what for?

Ask the Chairman. He’ll be happy to explain. In a nutshell, because the CEO is worth his salary and the Remuneration Committee don’t want him to be poached because they’re playing him below market. Do you have reason to believe that wouldn’t happen?

Nominet have made members and many small registrars irrelevant, this is not right and at this rate, members will leave anyway since there will be no reason or value in membership.

No Nominet haven’t. The annual membership fee hasn’t gone up. If some members leave, because £100 A YEAR, is too much for them, maybe they have more pressing issues that they’re hiding.

I am not sure about the members figures few years ago, but I think it was about 4000 at its peak and if Nominet continue this way, members will leave, may be this is their intention.

If a lot of the proxy members leave because there’s no need for them to exist, is that a negative?

I don't understand why a Director gets paid about £1632 a day (CEO even more) when a nurse saving people's lives gets paid about £108 a day.

Simple. They don’t. If you don’t understand this, you might want to rethink how much time you might be able to commit to the position. It can and does sometime exponentially increase beyond the suggested number of days.

 

[davedevelopment]

Thank you. No,I definitely don’t consider I have said anything inappropriate. If you think I have, feel free to tell me over private message. I think you’ll find it hard to pin down what you actually think it was.

It is hard to pin down specifically, I think most of your posts just kind of "smell". I think it's like the dude says, "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an arsehole".

Do you talk like this openly to colleagues or other people at your place of work?

I'm not an expert at interpreting the subtle aggressions, presumptions and slights you make, but if I worked with you, I'd be raising concerns with superiors or a HR department.