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Is Bitcoin the Next Big Thing?

Share price for Paypal by the way, 12 month chart, phenomenal growth.

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If you want to benefit from global adoption of the internet.... paypal would be a good bet.

Think this does a good job of illustrating the effect that crypto is having on fiat currency processors.... absolutely none at all, in fact they are thriving.

In fact you still require fiat investment to own any crypto at all... either to purchase a mining rig or to just buy from an exchange, and I'm not sure anybody can pay their electricity bill in bitcoin yet?
 
There is definitely a future for the blockchain concept of payment without the need for an intermediate, it makes sense.

Blockchain technology has a future.... but owning an egg doesn't give you a share in a poultry farm.

^^ (I'm proud of that one, a bit Cantona-esque!)
 
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isnt making ridiculous financial returns a good purpose?

Weak argument I think.... pretty sure a few people have made some incredible returns from bitconnect too, including a YouTuber who doesn't know what a private key is clearing half a million in referral commissions.

I personally have no idea what happens to the bitcoin price now, or whether there is still money to be made by new adopters... but I do think it is struggling to find a practical purpose in this world.

"What is a bitcoin?"

"What is bitcoin for?".

When you can successfully answer those two questions to the total satisfaction of a 55 year old female office administrator from Doncaster.... I'll believe. When the sum total of the answer is... "the point in bitcoin is to buy it and then sell it when the price is higher", which is effectively your stated purpose of its existence, then how can anybody see a future?

ps.. if you now complete the hat-trick, can I call you Simon? :D

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Also, i've noticed this "store of wealth" argument propping up now, if bitcoin and its advocates is positioning the coin as a "store of wealth" now that they realise it won't make it as a mainstream currency, then RIP.

What proportion of the population are savvy enough to have "stored their wealth" in things like gold bullion and silver bullion? Total guess would be 0.3% or something? If that's what Bitcoin is... a store of wealth.... then wow, world changing.... all those slightly paranoid people with 10kg of .999 silver in their floor safe can now buy digital currency instead, is that a big enough market to take bitcoin any higher than it is now?

To go from a fiat killing new global currency to now competing against classic cars, vintage wines, antiques and .999 silver bullion as a 'store of wealth'.... then there's going to be a cap on how big its ever going to get, if we aren't there already?
 
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To go from a fiat killing new global currency to now competing against classic cars, vintage wines, antiques and .999 silver bullion as a 'store of wealth'.... then there's going to be a cap on how big its ever going to get, if we aren't there already?

But we are already there, Bitcoin has a market valuation of ~$190 billion and crypto as a whole $550 billion, so clearly there is fiat being converted from traditional investments or otherwise.

I'm more interested in putting my money against crypto projects I believe have a real world application in the next few years; it might surprise that the only time I have any Bitcoin, is when I 'need it' to exchange for other currencies.
 
@ausername I appreciate your thoughts and contributions. Althought, I don't have the time to give 'invincible' like replies and explanations. My reply to Murry on his comment that it has no purpose was simply the shortest, easiest purpose I could explain. Certainly not the only one. In fact, its a coincidental one, not the purpose of bitcoin at all. The problem is you have said so many things yesterday that are factually incorrect. Assumptions youve taken to be truths. The argument about global population %'s that dont have electricity or mobile phones was really flawed (paypal works via windmills?). Many people in Africa actually do have mobiles and its all they have. Crypto has massive purpose in the 3rd world and can provide 'aid delivery solutions' like nothing else. Google it if you dont know about this type of thing, from memory it might have been ethereum that was already used. Also, you commented that bitcoin takes 10 days to transfer, please dont. I've transferred many whole bitcoins in the last week and its minutes not days.
 
But we are already there, Bitcoin has a market valuation of ~$190 billion and crypto as a whole $550 billion, so clearly there is fiat being converted from traditional investments or otherwise.

I'm more interested in putting my money against crypto projects I believe have a real world application in the next few years; it might surprise that the only time I have any Bitcoin, is when I 'need it' to exchange for other currencies.

The last time I had reason to acquire bitcoin I was getting prepared for a big stag party :D
 
Bitcoin doesn't have to work for "a 55 year old female office administrator from Doncaster" to be successful, valuable or long lasting. It's a totally ridiculous stretch that all products and services have to work in all situations.
 
Bitcoin doesn't have to work for "a 55 year old female office administrator from Doncaster" to be successful, valuable or long lasting. It's a totally ridiculous stretch that all products and services have to work in all situations.

Surely the point in this case is that Bitcoin is supposedly neither a product nor a service, but a currency.

And if so, it’s pretty weird to have one that’s only usable by certain people in certain situations, don’t you think?
 
Bitcoin doesn't have to work for "a 55 year old female office administrator from Doncaster" to be successful, valuable or long lasting. It's a totally ridiculous stretch that all products and services have to work in all situations.

All that 99% of Bitcoin holders care about is reaching the point where they can convert their crypto into fiat, for a satisfactory profit. You are all just looking for that 'exit', in fiat, and none of you have any real problem with holding cash or other asset classes and making transactions in cash.

1% have some sort of left field utopian libertarian vision of a world without central banks and taxation, a world which will not and can not ever exist.

Or we could just forget the above and I'll predict a Bitcoin market cap of $21 trillion if you want, which is what a $1 million bitcoin value would mean... which is where it is heading if you listen to people who have taken a hell of a lot of LSD in their lives (e.g. McAfee).

Give me a list of the things that you can do with Bitcoin that you can't do with conventional money?

Give me one reason why I should go and buy a Bitcoin now, other than to speculate on being able to sell that Bitcoin for more fiat at a later date?

I find that Bitcoin advocates are really disingenuous.... almost all of them. They try to convince people that Bitcoin has a real world purpose, when it patently doesn't, and they only do that because they are hoping the price with reach 'x' point so they can walk away with more fiat.

All of you just want to exit with a big ROI... then you don't care if it dies. That's why people call it a ponzi scheme, even if it doesn't tick all of those boxes. You all just want loads more newbies to speculate on Bitcoin to prop up the value of your holdings, and one day the world will run out of naive newbies and you will only care about that if you hadn't managed to complete your exit before that point.

That describes pretty much every Bitcoin owner... hardly any of you actually believe in the project or what it could be in 25 years, you care about whether the price will hit $25k this year so you can walk away with a nice big lump. Nothing wrong with that, but it would be more honest for people to just say that instead of arguing that Bitcoin has some sort of great life changing purpose but then being completely unable to list a single valid one.

Mrs Office Administrator from Doncaster will be told to "buy some Bitcoin because the price is going up, you w gillet really rich"... that's the reason why everybody buys Bitcoin. And that's why it will fail, because there's only so far that can go.

Blockchain technology is interesting though, for security purposes and for elections and stuff...

The time to have exited is when the founder of Litecoin sold up... he knew what he was doing, played a blinder, and still bagholders are in denial about that :D
 
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I wonder if there’s any way to “unwind” the blockchain, or parts of it, to find out exactly how much fiat has gone into propping up the Bitcoin price?

Perhaps it’s an infeasible or impossibly complex task, but it would be fascinating to know...
 
I wonder if there’s any way to “unwind” the blockchain, or parts of it, to find out exactly how much fiat has gone into propping up the Bitcoin price?

Perhaps it’s an infeasible or impossibly complex task, but it would be fascinating to know...

I think the closest you could get would be to find all the transactions from fiat exchanges like coinbase. But even then you'd need to know exactly what wallet addresses they use, which probably changes constantly. Maybe @Admin or @ian would know more about traceability.I know they've been at it for a while. You can certainly see every transaction thats ever been in the ledger ( thats the point) but doesnt tell you at what point it became bitcoin.

Of course thats one of the reasons it took off in the first place.Once its BTC its pretty hard to trace. Silk road / dark web etc accepting it as payments so there was LOTS of laundering / illegal stuff being ordered with it.
 
Have you noticed how all the people who sound bitter and negative about bitcoin, don't own any.

I had Bitcoin :p

I like the the idea of a functional decentralized currency you can use to quickly send money around for the world for fairly insignificant fees

So I like the idea of a good crypto, but Bitcoin isn't going to be the above
 
Listening to people discuss Bitcoin, I can't help but think each side is arguing as much to convince themselves as they are to convince their opponent.
 
I had Bitcoin :p

I like the the idea of a functional decentralized currency you can use to quickly send money around for the world for fairly insignificant fees

So I like the idea of a good crypto, but Bitcoin isn't going to be the above

Spot on i reckon. It's not nearly nimble enough long term. It's here though, and there are opportunities to make money on it.
 

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