expiry.org.uk a petition

[namealot]

Why not send the lot to one central auction ensuring every domain name that expires goes through it?
(from iPhone)

How does that benefit anyone? who is going to own this new company? also a bit of competition is good but too much can water down the market and impact, why not have them all revert to nom and them auction them?

registrars would be able to cherry pick selected domain names into their own portfolios and auction the rest

Registrars cherry picking been like that years in com? has that effected the market?

You think all registrars are just going to keep all the good names that doesn’t make business sence? What they just going to sit on stick up affiliate ? The uk has shown many its not an investment ( Like many never thought domains as an investment just a gamble and long term is cloud cuckoo)
shareholders want profits now you think they’ll say ok stick them on the shelf 10 years they’ll want to capitalize before the market non existent,,,

 

[Skinner]

I present DomCollect, at least 5,000 (that I'm aware of) names, if their parent/partner companies was feeding them quality names, how many names like dublin.co.uk would they need to sell to pay for the renewals of 5,000 ?

You gotta remember they will pick up these names at Reg fee, and will be able to cherry pick only the best of their crop, which means they don't need to make a lot of sales, and anything they can't sell quick they will auction and make us pay out for.

Host Europe would have access to potentially a MILLION domains, that that could pilfer, do you really think that HE won't create their own domcollect ? their own snapnames, their own sedo because their shareholders want profit ?

The potential for them is pretty much a license to print money.

The Shareholders will be over the moon at them holding x thousand names for 10 yrs because the names they flip will compensate it, the same as it does for us.

shareholders want profits now you think they’ll say ok stick them on the shelf 10 years I bet not for sure so they’ll want to capitalize before the market non existent

 

[namealot]

Either nominet run it or they contract a single third party to run it. Proceeds are split between losing registrar who receives a capped percentage of sale price and rest to nominet trust after costs. It benefits everyone because all domain names go to auction on expiry and keeps the FCFS principle. Those that don't sell at auction drop as normal.

Affected? Probably. My suggestion means that they cannot do this and every domain name that expires goes to auction.

I think that some might keep some of the good domain names and I don't think that they should be able to do that. If they want to they should bid at the auction like everyone else would.
(from iPhone)

This is business you leave something behind after your lease is over it belongs to them. You don’t pay for your car they take it back they don’t have to auction. it ditto house repossession why should domains get special treatment your talking fantasy land not business

 

[namealot]

I present DomCollect, at least 5,000 (that I'm aware of) names, if their parent/partner companies was feeding them quality names, how many names like dublin.co.uk would they need to sell to pay for the renewals of 5,000 ?

You gotta remember they will pick up these names at Reg fee, and will be able to cherry pick only the best of their crop, which means they don't need to make a lot of sales, and anything they can't sell quick they will auction and make us pay out for.

Host Europe would have access to potentially a MILLION domains, that that could pilfer, do you really think that HE won't create their own domcollect ? their own snapnames, their own sedo because their shareholders want profit ?

The potential for them is pretty much a license to print money.

The Shareholders will be over the moon at them holding x thousand names for 10 yrs because the names they flip will compensate it, the same as it does for us.

You say license to print money thats interesting what was the complete after market and caught names sales last year or the real value of all names caught dropped not resold for co.uk over that period the year before etc increase or decrease anyone got the figures I bet its way lower than many think ? top 12 and how many of them were drops or would ever drop sorry but to me don't think we are even talking the multi millions that are being bounded around sedo certainly don't look like it for 2012

 

[namealot]

The domain names are from the registry not the registrar. It would be perfectly possible for an expired .uk to have been tag-changed onto its current registrar tag a matter of days prior to expiring. The current registrar may not have charged for the incoming transfer or supplied any services yet *just because* they now happen to have the domain name associated with their registrar tag they potentially get the opportunity to take ownership of it.

Nominet have always tried to operate by a FCFS principle. Domain names cannot be compared to houses or cars where a lender is potentially going to be out of pocket for a large amount of money. Registrars are unlikely to be as they haven't made a loan to the registrant.

Please come up with relevant analogies!


(from iPhone)

Money is irrelevant and lenders insure against loss so not going down that road. Missed the the law that states name have to go to registry and cannot be kept by registrar where is that and fcfs where was that with the ll etc missed that too

 

[namealot]

Probably easier if we just stuck to talking about domain names rather than other incomparable things.



There's a consultation going on in respect of the .uk Registrar agreement. Nominet want to tighten up what registrars can and cannot do when domain names get to their expiry stage. The current agreement doesn't clarify things enough. I personally don't believe that registrars should be able to take control of expired domain names for the reasons I've mentioned and regardless of what different types of registrars do in other gTLD's. Some others agree with me.


(from iPhone)

Your so smart why didn’t you see it coming what happens in com seams to filter down to co.uk Personally those I knew catching in early 2000 don’t think any are now it had to come to an end to me I’ll be honest and this is not meant as an insult or put down which you so love to do too others but you are on a hiding to nothing trying to change a thing, There are not enough people other than catchers really that it will effect I’m afraid from what I have seen they have no influence, power of numbers or any coherent organized strategy to stand any chance in hell with changing influencing nom policy

 

[namealot]

That's one hell of a long sentence! I already managed to negotiate with Nominet when they wanted to change their DAC rules in 2009 so it wouldn't be too detrimental to drop catchers but I accept that there are other forces at play in respect of this.

It will affect all stakeholders. Some domain names that would have dropped and might have been free to register now won't be. I don't have a problem with auctions. However .uk doesn't work in the same way as gTLD's and there's no reason to suggest it should (e.g. we have a DRS not a UDRP). I don't consider .uk registrars to be almost the same as gTLD ICANN accredited registrars because the latter have to do a lot more than Nominet "tag holders" (registrars) do. I've already explained that I'd be happy with all domain names that expire ending up at one central auction rather than allowing registrars to siphon off domain names as they might wish to purely because those domain names happened to be on their nominet tag when they passed expiry dates.



(from iPhone)

You go off DRS etc trying to be smart arse really don’t know why or I’m past caring.
I see nothing in any proposal put forward in the slightest that will get anywhere at all, * I'll even take a bet on it. You believe I’m wrong get a thousand people it affects to sign a petition … Money runs Icann money runs Nom who makes them the most has the most say. You don’t agree or understand that then you have no place in business how you talk write punctuate that’s smoke and mirrors,

 

[namealot]

It isn't trying to be "smart arse". What I typed above is factual and unarguable! Who are you going to bet with, how much and on what terms? (hint: you're not)! I'm certainly not betting anything. I've never said you were wrong and I think you're just typing replies to things you thought you read but weren't actually printed! Of course I realise money is a major motivator for many. Finally my complaints against what you have typed so badly previously have appeared to have achieved one beneficial thing; that is to have motivated you into taking a bit more care so I, and probably others, can understand your posts enough to be able to construct relevant replies!


(from iPhone)

"Might" is not Fact? You assume no names will drop you do not know. Names are missed now that you can easy make a few k on they will still be

 

[namealot]

Who makes the most for nom makes the most for themselves, has the most influence from that you can work out with a reasonably high degree of accuracy there plan. A given they need to capitalize and so fourth when you know that you don’t give it a way you exploit it.

 

[ANY-Web]

Expiry.co.uk Petitioin - Thank you, Andrew

Please could all members here that are against the 'Accredited Channel Partner' clause 5.3.6 please sign my petition here:

http://www.expiry.org.uk

Please include your registrar tag in the petition comments and I will present Nominet with the petition by the end of the consultation

I just signed your petition, Andrew.
Thanks for drawing my attention to what is happening here.

It may not be very popular on this board but I believe that Nominet should take active control of expiring domains itself. Expired domain names should be auctioned off in a process based on the model of the DVLA, which auctions personalised number plates. Nominet has proved with the 1&2 letter reserved domain auction in 2011 that it has the technology and resources to handle such auctions.
The revenues (which could amount to £50-100m per year if the auctions were marketed properly, i.e advertised nationally just like car number plate auctions) should go partly to the Nominet Trust (20%) and the remaining 80% to the Treasury to help reduce the UK's deficit.
Not into the pockets of Nominet's top 10 registrars whose representatives sit on the Nominet board and who have the voting power to push through this change which benefits them personally so much.

.UK domains are a national asset and should be treated as such.

 

[foz]

It may not be very popular on this board but I believe that Nominet should take active control of expiring domains itself. Expired domain names should be auctioned off in a process based on the model of the DVLA, which auctions personalised number plates. Nominet has proved with the 1&2 letter reserved domain auction in 2011 that it has the technology and resources to handle such auctions.
The revenues (which could amount to £50-100m per year if the auctions were marketed properly, i.e advertised nationally just like car number plate auctions) should go partly to the Nominet Trust (20%) and the remaining 80% to the Treasury to help reduce the UK's deficit.
Not into the pockets of Nominet's top 10 registrars whose representatives sit on the Nominet board and who have the voting power to push through this change which benefits them personally so much.

.UK domains are a national asset and should be treated as such.

Would Nominet wait to take ownership? Is so is that not against the FCFS philosophy?

If not and Nominet held auctions while domains were in suspension you would find a lot of the cream would be renewed and dealt to in a private manner.

A lot of what drops is rather average these days, a few premiums may drop but it's nothing like the short domain auctions. Dictionary keywords in the dozens are not dropping on a daily basis nowadays.