expiry.org.uk a petition

[namealot]

Does it make a difference to a buyer..? certainly not end user

1 and 1 123 etc although there crap they know how to push a product service etc have massive client base, majority of co.uk registrations done only buy a few registrars unlike com,

You can’t compare the likes of snapnames etc playing a global market in the hundreds of millions with uk of certainly less than 10 million

 

[grantw]

Does it make a difference to a buyer..? certainly not end user

1 and 1 123 etc although there crap they know how to push a product service etc have massive client base, majority of co.uk registrations done only buy a few registrars unlike com,

You can’t compare the likes of snapnames etc playing a global market in the hundreds of millions with uk of certainly less than 10 million

Of course you can compare it. .uk appears to be heading in exactly the same direction, it may be on a smaller scale but it is comparable.

Experienced domainers post on here regularly asking how to catch a .com domain as they are unsure of how the expiry process works, and that's for an industry that may have many registrars but all of those registrars have deals with the big 2 or 3 expired auction houses, you generally don't have to visit each registrar to bid on a domain.

This clause may kill dropcatching to an extent but it won't kill domaining. If the majority of registrars decide to use auctions you'll see most people from this forum bidding on the domains. A lot of these will end up for sale at a much higher price than they would have been if they were caught, so the end user (who probably wasn't aware of the auction or didn't think about wanting the domain until 6 months after it was auctioned) has to pay more.

Grant

 

[grantw]

Grant, I don't remember seeing any discussion on this forum suggesting that .uk Registrars were either taking over or auctioning off their expired .co.uk domain names already. Maybe I missed it? I've performed a WHOIS lookup on one of the domain names listed at the Dynadot URL you posted above and have noticed that the domain name I checked is still registered in the name of the original Registrant. I question the legality of Dynadot being able to list a domain name in an auction when they haven't acquired title to at the Registry first. I assume they don't wish to spend £10 + VAT to do this, in case it doesn't sell.

They renew the domain if it sells and push it into your account at Dynadot, still registered to the previous owner. The only way to get it into your name is to break the 'law' and amend the admin email and transfer the domain to yourself via Nominet.

There are a couple of discussions regarding all this on here which I posted in mentioning dynadot but I can't find them either! Will post a link if I find them.

Grant

 

[grantw]

So there is nothing to prevent the original registrant effecting a £10 + VAT "tag change" directly with Nominet and screwing up an auction for Dynadot and any bidders? In respect of the new registrant (the one who gets the domain name after a successful auction) "breaking the law", the only way the admin address can be changed is via Dynadot's automaton/DAC connection to Nominet, even if their is a control panel allowing the new registrant do perform this via those connections. Once that has been achieved the registrant change can occur via Nominet's online systems which is of course likely to be contrary to the rules given the auction winner wouldn't have the permission of the original registrant to do this.

Actually IIRC, the admin email address is changed over to a dynadot address, so the original registrant wouldn't be able to access the domain online to do a TAG change.

I've bought one in the past, mainly because I was wondering what would happen once I'd won the auction! I'm not sure if they have an option to change the admin address but I did it myself as a registrar, I'm guessing most of the auctions won on there are still registered to the previous registrant.

It's mentioned here on the Nominet forum, no discussion though so whatever discussion there was on here would have been around that date, it may well be in a thread which started off discussing ukreg/fasthosts changing nameservers on expiring domains.

https://forum.nominet.org.uk/showthread.php?t=162&highlight=dynadot

Grant

 

[grantw]

I believe Nominets unofficial response at the time was that they couldn't do anything as it was in the registrars terms, and any attempt to stop/control it would require a change of the registrar agreement.

So Nominets solution seems to be to say it's all OK, if you pay us to become an accredited registrar!

Grant

 

[namealot]

Of course you can compare it. .uk appears to be heading in exactly the same direction, it may be on a smaller scale but it is comparable.

Experienced domainers post on here regularly asking how to catch a .com domain as they are unsure of how the expiry process works, and that's for an industry that may have many registrars but all of those registrars have deals with the big 2 or 3 expired auction houses, you generally don't have to visit each registrar to bid on a domain.

This clause may kill dropcatching to an extent but it won't kill domaining. If the majority of registrars decide to use auctions you'll see most people from this forum bidding on the domains. A lot of these will end up for sale at a much higher price than they would have been if they were caught, so the end user (who probably wasn't aware of the auction or didn't think about wanting the domain until 6 months after it was auctioned) has to pay more.

Grant

What can be done with uk is not scalable its like saying because a newsagent delivers papers to few streets it can do the same to the entire country there is no comparison its totally different ball game globally?

 

[Skinner]

I ditched domain monster when they started "tasting" the traffic on expired domains.

Host Europe as whole are dodgy in my book.

 

[Skinner]

If you replace hand with neck, setting with screwing, and drop the in 2006, and we are on the same page yes

So you wouldn't like to shake Matt Mansell by the hand and congratulate him on setting DM up in 2006

 

[namealot]

Your analogy is a bad one because everything we are discussing relates to intangible services, not physical newspapers that require movement. Try a better one!


(from iPhone)

What can make uk auction e.g. marketing contacting potential buyers end users etc is physical that’s not financially viable or I even doubt achievable ,com For the service to be a success requires physical effort ?

Do I believe current registrar auctioning names would be better generally for all but catchers yes?

 

[namealot]

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you've written above.

First you say analogy incorrect which its not then you dont understand I'll pass Not my problem...

Well that's obvious and had no need to even be stated, since it is a given that taking over expired domain names by their registrars will reduce the pool of domain names that drop!
(from iPhone)

Who are you the statement police…?

 

[Skinner]

Negative, people who want domains will be shafted, lets use Dom Collect as an example, they registered so much shite that they would hoover everything up with traffic and not just that of value, because using edwins method 5% of sales pays for 95% of names, so the big registrars would simply hold near everything.

Do I believe current registrar auctioning names would be better generally for all but catchers yes?

 

[namealot]

Negative, people who want domains will be shafted, lets use Dom Collect as an example, they registered so much shite that they would hoover everything up with traffic and not just that of value, because using edwins method 5% of sales pays for 95% of names, so the big registrars would simply hold near everything.

They have been shafted since domains have been around as there has always been only one of each name …? The hovering has only ever been short term game Initially helped with search engine algorithms and reactive searching that’s diminishing so rapidly within 5 -10 years will be all but non existent.. Names were there to identify you your product service etc as that becomes irrelevant so do names ?

There's always an alterative and an abundance of new TLD.s domains are not the be and end all for business. For most having a certain name contributes a miniscule amount real world...

 

[namealot]

I'm just someone who's educated and can usually string a sentence together that makes sense. Why cannot you? Before you reply I'll throw it open to the floor and ask for anyone else to explain what you'd said in a comprehensible way. Anyone...?


(from iPhone)

Yes not on this occasion though... "Why cannot you?" As I said not my problem...

 

[namealot]

If it doesn’t need to be stated then it even less needs to be elaborated figure it out yourself... You don't understand not my problem

 

[namealot]

Interesting from implied uneducated to alcoholic to socially uncomfortable...
through in race and sex and you'd have all bases covered ? Therapy would be my advice.

 

[namealot]

I'm glad you're taking a bit more care with what you're putting together tonight. Going back to the actual topic I do consider your analogy of a newsagent delivering newspapers to be utterly irrelevant. Domain name businessss are much more scalable. Whether every end user gets to know about domain name auction sites, ever, we'll have to see in time.


(from iPhone)

Or maybe you're sobering up ? Only potential end user that need a site, want the name and have sufficient funds are relevant how you find those is what a business is about. Newsagent or domainers business is business,

Scaling up from small cctld to Tld taking peak times, days, languages, laws, Information asymmetry, Pricing mechanisms, trying to establish channel relationships, direct contacts the list goes on . What can be achieved in a small scale cctld.. simply won't be manageable, cost effective achievable globally?

Newsagent don’t manufacture the papers but are supplied them, Have no influence in whats in them, They will already have some buyers due too the papers existing clients, They will need to seek out new entice them in.

Registrars don’t manufacture the name they are also supplied them, They have have no influence in the name? They also will have some buyers and will also need to seek out new and entice them in?

The newsagent couldn’t provide the same service cost effectively, efficiently nationally
Same as the registrar cannot globally it can in its small area co.uk same as newsagent can its its few streets. There reasons for failure may be different but the outcome is the same?

I have no vested interest either way as to if registrars sell names or catchers do my belief is registrars auctioning would improve the market as a whole. I gave up catching years ago as the time effort etcwere better employed and more profitable elsewhere?

 

[namealot]

Pompous condescending twat Race only a few more to go ?

 

[namealot]

Race

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

 

[namealot]

Immaterial to me what you think , I don’t need to ever do business with you You insinuated from alcoholic to race to me that’s says bigoted unhappy little man

 

[namealot]

Can someone please assist mes.

These may be able help you http://www.goodtherapy.org/therapy-for-self-esteem.html


You don’t seam to like the fact I believe registrars auctioning names has the potential to be good for co.uk /uk Domains as a whole.
They have the funding and marketing knowledge client base etc to bring in a wider audience and possibly help people understand real values as opposed to made up domainers ones not a lot I can do about that, You have a vested interest I don’t but thats business tuff