EU Referendum

[websaway]

It's been underplayed in the chaos of the last 48 hours, but the referendum was NEVER legally binding, only advisory.

Clutching at straws springs to mind.

 

[Edwin]

You really are naïve. But worse than that you are dangerous because people think you are intelligent.
What you need to do is have a look at the UK stock market in 2008. Even you would be able to choose the stocks you should have bought. Only gamblers should care about what the market does short term. Maybe that's what you did prior to the vote, it would explain a few things.

That's another round of personal attacks. Not even veiled.

Stop it.

 

[spiderspider]

 

[danielcoates]

A little Tory leadership contest development. Remain supporters are currently suggesting on social media that they may join up as Conservative members in order to stop the Brexiters (Johnson and Gove) from taking over the Tory government.

I can't stand the thought of Johnson or Gove leading the Conservatives, Johnson has too many hiccups, although he is a career politician, and Gove can't stand the NHS. In fact, I think I may have to vote Lib Dem's in the next general, if this happens.

However, I wouldn't be doing it so they can't run the Article 50 negotiations, it's obvious that it needs to be a Brexit supporter who does that, I can't imagine a Remainer getting the best deal.

I don't think there should be another referendum, I can't go through that pain again, and the country is divided enough as it is!

I'll be honest, I was in tears on Friday morning

 

[websaway]

I was astonished this morning to hear the SNP leader saying that Scotland voted to stay in the EU. They did not. They voted for the UK to stay in the EU. There was no box to ask Scotland there view on whether they as a country stay in the EU. If any political leader thinks they can any longer mislead the population in order to get a desired result, they are deluding themselves.

 

[signature]

We have voted out, that's it, I can't see anyway for a new referendum or the UK Parliament turning their back on the result.

It's done, we out, some people will see the negative side some will see the positive side, we all can't be happy with the situation.

Like any situation there will be opportunities, we can either continue to look for the opportunities or continue to state the negatives.

But fellows, let's stop the personal attacks, the name calling should stop, let's debate the issue not the person.

 

[BREWSTERS]

I can't stand the thought of Johnson or Gove leading the Conservatives, Johnson has too many hiccups, although he is a career politician, and Gove can't stand the NHS. In fact, I think I may have to vote Lib Dem's in the next general, if this happens.

However, I wouldn't be doing it so they can't run the Article 50 negotiations, it's obvious that it needs to be a Brexit supporter

Exactly, no one who backed remain should not be given a position of power.

But why only consider one of the currently known parties? Not suggesting UKIP (not suggesting any party) but they would at least be desperate to make it work.

I don't trust any politician who doesn't address central banking.
It's time for a totally new system for running countries - I'm not pretending to know what that may be, but the current system breeds division, is corrupt to the core, and doesn't serve the people.

 

[websaway]

We have voted out, that's it, I can't see anyway for a new referendum or the UK Parliament turning their back on the result.

It's done, we out, some people will see the negative side some will see the positive side, we all can't be happy with the situation.

Like any situation there will be opportunities, we can either continue to look for the opportunities or continue to state the negatives.

But fellows, let's stop the personal attacks, the name calling should stop, let's debate the issue not the person.

I have not once said that god opened the heavens over London on Thursday to ensure that we would leave the EU. And if I did I would expect to be severely criticised . That is why we think before we comment, and if it's stupid we do get criticised. Over sensitive people should not be on forums and nobody has a divine right to not be subject to the normal rules.
You can't just make up new rules so as to make your own approach easier or to win your point.
It's a bit like the race card was used to muffle the subject of immigration.

 

[Mark84]

Exactly, no one who backed remain should not be given a position of power.

I'd go further, any MP who backed remain should be put on trial for treason. Technically I think here are real laws that are on the statute books which would allow the prosecution of individuals in Parliament and even on this forum.

 

[VSC]

I'd go further, any MP who backed remain should be put on trial for treason. Technically I think here are real laws that are on the statute books which would allow the prosecution of individuals in Parliament and even on this forum.

Speechless ...

 

[signature]

I have not once said that god opened the heavens over London on Thursday to ensure that we would leave the EU. And if I did I would expect to be severely criticised . That is why we think before we comment, and if it's stupid we do get criticised. Over sensitive people should not be on forums and nobody has a divine right to not be subject to the normal rules.
You can't just make up new rules so as to make your own approach easier or to win your point.
It's a bit like the race card was used to muffle the subject of immigration.

I did not mentioned any name but you choose to responds, are you doing any personal attacks lately?

This is a debate/discussion/arguments, we all pick a side and defend that side, no need for personal attacks.
Personal attacks take focus away from the point, starting a defence of a point with 'you have your head in your arse' or been naive, or deluded, does not really had any weight to the arguments, it's just personal insult.

You seems to have answer to every statementsingle anyway, why the personal attacks.

Off cause you will come back with answer, let me go and get myself a tea.

 

[signature]

Stop the insult is not changing the rules andandi it's not like playing racist card on immigration, that is your usual reply to everybody's statement on immigration, that said you @websaway have made racist comments.

 

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Frank Paul posted this on twitter.

Believe it was first posted on face book by from https://twitter.com/lammo77


I think some people who are feeling let down and worrying about the future may find inspiration in the quote below.

 

[websaway]

Speechless ...

I think he's joking.

 

[spiderspider]

no need for personal attacks.

What is a personal attack? Sure, I personally attacked Edwin yesterday morning and that was quickly removed, and I had my knuckles rapped. But as I explained, that was due to IMHO deluded posts made by said member. I can't see any that have happened since then, even if some have felt it.

Things could go to far, and you could say that as I don't agree with you, this is a personal attack. Where as anyone looking in, can see its not, just merely debate.

This is from a conversation I had with @admin yesterday. As its nothing personal, I'm sure he won't mind me posting it here:

You can challenge and debate anyone you want, just don't call them names or be aggresive. I wouldn't apprecate reports that are about someone being preachy, that's not against the rules and takes moderation too far.

So as far I am concerned, saying someone is naive, or calling them out on comments they make is fair game. Be that in 1 post or making it last for 10.

If said person then can't take it......... maybe the internet isn't the best place for them to debate.

If you don't like what someone put, or think its a personal attack, use the report button. I do, and have. Even if its not a personal attack, and a over sensitive response accusing someone of something, still report it. Then wait and see what happens

 

[websaway]

I did not mentioned any name but you choose to responds, are you doing any personal attacks lately?

This is a debate/discussion/arguments, we all pick a side and defend that side, no need for personal attacks.
Personal attacks take focus away from the point, starting a defence of a point with 'you have your head in your arse' or been naive, or deluded, does not really had any weight to the arguments, it's just personal insult.

You seems to have answer to every statementsingle anyway, why the personal attacks.

Off cause you will come back with answer, let me go and get myself a tea.

I don't consider the examples you give as being contrary to normal forum rules. The head in etc. is not good, because of the word, nothing wrong with the meaning but not the best choice of expressing it. So not the best choice, but criticism towards people's opinions is quite OK.
If I think someone is being naïve, deluded or stupid I would say so.

 

[signature]

What is a personal attack? Sure, I personally attacked Edwin yesterday morning and that was quickly removed, and I had my knuckles rapped. But as I explained, that was due to IMHO deluded posts made by said member. I can't see any that have happened since then, even if some have felt it.

Things could go to far, and you could say that as I don't agree with you, this is a personal attack. Where as anyone looking in, can see its not, just merely debate.

This is from a conversation I had with @admin yesterday. As its nothing personal, I'm sure he won't mind me posting it here:



So as far I am concerned, saying someone is naive, or calling them out on comments they make is fair game. Be that in 1 post or making it last for 10.

If said person then can't take it......... maybe the internet isn't the best place for them to debate.

If you don't like what someone put, or think its a personal attack, use the report button. I do, and have. Even if its not a personal attack, and a over sensitive response accusing someone of something, still report it. Then wait and see what happens

You don't have to qualify people to pick loop holes in Their points.

 

[websaway]

Frank Paul posted this on twitter.

Believe it was first posted on face book by from https://twitter.com/lammo77


I think some people who are feeling let down and worrying about the future may find inspiration in the quote below.


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Yes

I am the master of my fate , I am the captain of my soul.

Invictus

I'm sure everyone is familiar with it but it's below anyway.

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,

I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul