Domainlore charging 5%

[armistice]

I'm only trying to flag this change up so everyone is aware, I'm grateful DL exists too.

 

[LCHappy]

That's VERY grey writing. I don't think that's acceptable to be honest. Terms and Conditions need to be clear cut, not "If your domain is a hidden gem but sells for lots of money - I want in".

I don't know the site owner, but I get the feeling that the person won't use the terms to sue anyone in court. They seem to be more this is the spirit of the terms, if you break them then you won't use the site again. If that is the case then it appears fair enough, the aims at what he is trying to get at is transparent.

I haven't visited the site in a while, the quality of names for sale seems to have dropped a bit. I used to look out of habit most days, nowadays I can go weeks without looking.

 

[aZooZa]

Remember that DO's native language is not English. I think that's why many submissions aren't categorised correctly; i.e. primes demoted to 'gems' etc.

 

[Admin]

The owner is an egomaniac which you will find out if you ever have reason to question 'anything'

 

[stitchbob]

I suspect the vast majority of DL sellers are using the site in the course of a business, so the Consumer Rights Act wouldn't apply.

 

[LCHappy]

I wasn't thinking about Deny's taking people to court, I was thinking about site users taking Deny's to court. Terms and Conditions are there for a reason, so business and customer each know where they stand LEGALLY and MORALLY. If these are changing on a moments notice, using grey writing or otherwise underhand tactics, I think that's a red flag. The Consumer Rights Act has this to say about grey writing:

But what would you want to take legal action against him for? He's not withholding any of your money at any point. What I mean is, at no point in the service does he owe the seller anything for them to try and go to court to take back.

 

[Murray]

*Submissions which were automatically (immediately) accepted for 'Hidden Gems' without undergoing manual approvals could be considered premium for the purposes of 5% selling fee if they should have been classified for Spotlight in the first place.

You should know before publishing the auction live whats going to happen fee wise, it can't just be left to the platforms discretion

What's the best/easiest way of doing that I don't know - DL having to manually review every auction or maybe any listing that goes beyond x amount will incur 5% fee

 

[ian]

Denys is in Malta?

 

[diablo]

This.

Also, if you are acting as a business on DomainLore, the Sale of Goods Act 1979 still applies. Secondly, there's nothing in the Terms and Conditions that bidders must act as a business, so henceforth anybody who bids may act as a Consumer and be covered by the Consumer Rights Act, whether or not Deny's thinks he's safe sat in Malta. Also, if you are indeed banned for not paying these questionable invoices, I believe if one took DomainLore to court, the courts would see this as unfair business practices. They're essentially extorting money from people and holding your account to ransom. Not cool.

This is all getting a bit confused.

Even if a buyer was covered by the Sale of Goods Act, it isn't the buyer that pays the commission. Plus when did Denys move to Malta?

I think we can all agree the terms as they stand are unfair. All that's needed is something along the lines of "if hidden gem reaches £XXXX at auction a 5% commission is payable".

 

[LCHappy]

Also, if you are indeed banned for not paying these questionable invoices, I believe if one took DomainLore to court, the courts would see this as unfair business practices. They're essentially extorting money from people and holding your account to ransom.

But what would they force him to do if they find him in the wrong? At no point does he have your money to be forced by a court to hand you it back, unless you voluntarily pay him first in which case why would you be going to court?

 

[dee]

But what would they force him to do if they find him in the wrong? At no point does he have your money to be forced by a court to hand you it back, unless you voluntarily pay him first in which case why would you be going to court?

Indeed. All payments go direct between buyer and seller.

 

[LCHappy]

I think that within the coming weeks, everything that is sold on there will come with a 5% charge.

 

[ian]

What better alternatives are there?

 

[boxerdog]

What better alternatives are there?

eBay

 

[boxfish]

What better alternatives are there?

Why not just charge a flat fee of 5% on all sales, and £5 if it doesn't sell?

He's created the platform, he's brought together the buyers and sellers, why shouldn't he monetise it?

For a group who acquire items for £x-xx and expect to sell them at £xxx-xxxx people here sure don't like others making money off them.

 

[ian]

Why not just charge a flat fee of 5% on all sales, and £5 if it doesn't sell?

He's created the platform, he's brought together the buyers and sellers, why shouldn't he monetise it?

For a group who acquire items for £x-xx and expect to sell them at £xxx-xxxx people here sure don't like others making money off them.

Where did I suggest otherwise? I'm all for a fixed 5% fee, providing their is a credible buyer base which DL mostly has (from a reseller pov). All my auctioned sales go on DL as the best option which is why I asked what better alternatives there are, which you quoted as something else!

 

[Murray]

He's created the platform, he's brought together the buyers and sellers, why shouldn't he monetise it?

I agree, but there certainly is room for complaint on how he rolls the changes out and currently them being down to his discretion rather than clear cut.

 

[Murray]

Denys has done a blog post on it https://blog.domainlore.uk/placing_the_dots_in_the_Is/

 

[LCHappy]

That's very confrontational to some members on here. I'm not sure that is the best way forward for domainlore when premiums are already deserting the site.

I'm not sure outing private emails to support is even legal, or attractive to anyone wanting to ask things through support.

"smart people understand that good products don't remain free forever"



ouch -

Have google, twitter, gmail started charging yet? Come on smart people

 

[boxfish]

Have google, twitter, gmail started charging yet? Come on smart people

He does cover that - you are the product