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[newguy]

There's a clear peak in the "stabilised" data and we appear to now be descending from it. In a week's time, once the red part of the curve has been fleshed out with the additional data coming in, we'll know for sure.

The underlying data came from this spreadsheet...
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...ID-19-all-announced-deaths-19-April-2020.xlsx

I do hope that you're right. I had my fingers crossed that the numbers would start to decline before now, but going forward let's hope that in a weeks time we have more assurances that things and moving in the right direction.

 

[bonusmedia]

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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ed-images-coronavirus-post-exploit-boys-suic/
https://www.republicworld.com/fact-...picture-of-the-boy-13-youngest-in-the-uk.html
https://factcheck.afp.com/photo-has-circulated-reports-about-irish-teenager-who-died-2017
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...navirus-is-NOT-ismail-mohamed-abdulwahab.html

You are exploiting a dead child. Sick and twisted.

 

[BREWSTERS]

I am? What about the government?

 

[LCHappy]

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ed-images-coronavirus-post-exploit-boys-suic/
https://www.republicworld.com/fact-...picture-of-the-boy-13-youngest-in-the-uk.html
https://factcheck.afp.com/photo-has-circulated-reports-about-irish-teenager-who-died-2017
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...navirus-is-NOT-ismail-mohamed-abdulwahab.html

You are exploiting a dead child. Sick and twisted.

I remember people saying that when @BREWSTERS reported an NHS nurse had died in Pakistan, not here as claimed in the media. I checked out that and he was right.

Anyway, perfectly normal for kids to die from Flu Like symptoms https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-7-died-just-24-21014852

 

[deluxedomains]

Dear Nurses, thank for your service. Whilst the country is going skint, you take to the stage to show us your dancing skills.

https://twitter.com/DayTheatre/status/1251228774227759111

and what about the doctors,nurses,porters ,cleaners and other amazing staff that are currently keeping our loved ones safe?could you do the job they do? I really really hope you don't need the help of the nhs soon.sigh...

 

[LCHappy]

and what about the doctors,nurses,porters ,cleaners and other amazing staff that are currently keeping our loved ones safe?could you do the job they do? I really really hope you don't need the help of the nhs soon.sigh...

Nice speech but what's that got to do with the video of them dancing whilst people are going out of business?

 

[deluxedomains]

Nice speech but what's that got to do with the video of them dancing whilst people are going out of business?

For all those people "dancing"i am sure there would be many more keeping patients alive.would it be ok with you if staff were allowed a break away there duties to rest and recharge...people are allowed to take a rest..

 

[newguy]

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In all seriousness though, where it's fair to criticise an official government line on things, the same has to apply to videos that people throw up on the internet. The video firstly highlights that x number of people die in care homes at this time of year anyway, as if to say that deaths are being attributed to covid erroneously. When the reality is that there are up to 7500 additional deaths have occurred over this recent period compared to last year . There are many legitimate reasons to think that the number of deaths outside of hospital has been vastly undercounted; the resources aren't there and so it's in the governments interests to turn a blind eye and underplay. The video omits that.

And then it attempts to claim that a child that died of Covid-19 in fact didn't die at all and is simply an old death being used again and again to fake a death that didn't happen. This is clearly a farcical claim. Even if the government did decide to fake a child's death (why bother since the odd young person is bound to die of covid anyway) why would they use images and identities that have been plastered all over the internet years prior? They wouldn't and this is doctored and misleading material.

It's fine for people to question everything and I certainly don't believe that the government is always honest or working in our interests, but if the default is to be hyper critical of anything official, but to accept misleading Youtube videos as gospel that is not a great approach either. I find this to be a cruel and cynical, or at best misguided, video because it exploits and contorts the genuine death of a child for clicks. Not every aspect of everything is some kind of conspiracy waiting to be unearthed.

 

[newguy]

I'm giving up reading this thread as it's depressing. I appreciate that nobody means any harm though and that it's a tough time for everyone right now. Take care all.

As Siusaidh eloquently put earlier, there is a certain value to not being as loggerheads on issues. It's all too easy to get sucked into debates on issues where there is never going to be a meeting of minds anyway.

 

[Siusaidh]

I don't think it's nurses who are taking the P*** in this present crisis. Thankfully, the vast majority of people in this country don't think so either.

 

[LCHappy]

I don't think it's nurses who are taking the P*** in this present crisis. Thankfully, the vast majority of people in this country don't think so either.

I don't know what section of the NHS you work in, but if you were working 12 hours shifts in ICU, sweating buckets whilst wearing layers of PPE. Are you telling me that you would be happy to see that going on? It's not an isolated incident either. I feel sorry for those doctors and nurses who are holding the hands of the dying while their colleagues are doing this.

It has to be put in the context of people that are about to run out of money to put food in their little kids mouths all over the country.

 

[diablo]

I'm giving up reading this thread as it's depressing. I appreciate that nobody means any harm though and that it's a tough time for everyone right now. Take care all.

As Siusaidh eloquently put earlier, there is a certain value to not being as loggerheads on issues. It's all too easy to get sucked into debates on issues where there is never going to be a meeting of minds anyway.

I've also said all I'm going to on this thread. Best wishes to everyone.

 

[Siusaidh]

For several million people, there seems little prospect of safe exit from lockdown until a vaccination can be found and distributed. That said, it's possible a vaccination may be more effective than the immunity (if any) gained from contracting the virus. These are interesting comments from today's BBC news on this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/healt...e-to-be-infected-with-covid-19-more-than-once

 

[bonusmedia]

Obviously this is only anecdotal evidence, but one of my colleagues has a nephew who is a paramedic. He was ill and tested positive, recovered and returned to work, and has now come down with it again, with a second positive test, within weeks. It's possible one of them was a false positive, really hope so.

 

[LCHappy]

Relapse or Reinfection, both possible but they have no idea yet unfortunately.

 

[bonusmedia]

I honestly don't know whether to give up on the thread.
I do appreciate there's no reaching some folks, but if the lies are allowed to stand, they spread.

I keep telling myself it's a small minority shouting loudly, but a small minority spreading lies unchecked can do massive damage. E.g. we're at over 50 mobile towers attacked now, including last week one serving the Birmingham Nightingale Hospital.

 

[LCHappy]

I honestly don't know whether to give up on the thread.
I do appreciate there's no reaching some folks, but if the lies are allowed to stand, they spread.

I keep telling myself it's a small minority shouting loudly, but a small minority spreading lies unchecked can do massive damage. E.g. we're at over 50 mobile towers attacked now, including last week one serving the Birmingham Nightingale Hospital.

Thankfully the local chippy reopened on Friday, we are off out for something to eat for the first time in 5 weeks. Remember what Thatcher said, you stay in if you want to, this lady ain't for starving.

Have a good evening

 

[BREWSTERS]

Meanwhile...it seems no-one, including my local MP, can say what test is being done that diagnoses 'covid-19' - that is, what identifies it as different from everyday regular common-o-garden coronaviruses. So I have to assume it's the PCR test.

I'll let you look into the quality and reliability of that test over the 40 or so years it's been around so you can choose your own sources.

If you know of another test that's being used, please let me know what it is.

 

[starbird]

This thread needs locked for everyone's sanity.

 

[AssetDomains]

Meanwhile...it seems no-one, including my local MP, can say what test is being done that diagnoses 'covid-19' - that is, what identifies it as different from everyday regular common-o-garden coronaviruses. So I have to assume it's the PCR test.

I'll let you look into the quality and reliability of that test over the 40 or so years it's been around so you can choose your own sources.

If you know of another test that's being used, please let me know what it is.

I said I wasn't going to get drawn back in but cant let some of this crap go unchallenged

You say your wife is a nurse dose she not see something different does she not speak to doctors in her hospital do they all think this is a big conspiracy. Do you really think the highly educated British medical profession has all been duped by the government the illuminati or whoever. Do you tell her when she gets home this doesn't exist what does she say?
I done another 10 hour shift today do you now how I know something out of the ordinary is happening. I'll tell you chest after chest looked like the attached this is far from normal.
I've been doing this professionally for 2 years now some of my colleagues for well over 30 what we are all seeing is not normal its not just a flu increase.
There is something very strange and different going on it presents different from other pneumonia covid 19 is nearly always bilateral this is atypical of what you would see with most pneumonia infections which are largely unilateral.
More info on radiological appearance here https://radiopaedia.org/articles/covid-19-3?lang=gb

Apart from what we see with are eyes on the radiographs the gold standard test is RT-PCR its not perfect it does have problems these are with sensitivity not specifity. IE it under reports patients who in fact suffering with covid false negatives. As for disguising between this and other infections it is very specific if you look at this highly sighted scientific paper it was tested against 92 other respiratory infections with no false positives. That's extremely solid testing.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...verse-transcription_polymerase_chain_reaction

I followed up on a patient I x-rayed just over a week ago in ITU 45 ex rugby player farther of two slightly overweight but no other underlying conditions was hopping when he wasn't in the bed he'd been occupying for the last week that he had maybe been stepped down to a normal ward. Sadly though this wasn't the case he didn't make it. Most likely one of the statistics in todays death numbers.
Enjoy your fish and chips though hopefully you don't pick it up or worse spread it unwittingly to someone you crossed paths with potentially robing them of a parent grandparent just because you needed to make a stand.