Corona please read very important

[LCHappy]

BTW, don't know how many people are following the bigger picture stuff, but unemployment in the USA rose by close to 10 million people in the last two weeks, and is projected to pass the 2008 financial crisis level soon.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...aims-doubled-to-record-6-65-million-last-week

There is a quote from the film "Big Short" - he says that for every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die. I've checked it out and it appears to be roughly true.

 

[diablo]

There is a quote from the film "Big Short" - he says that for every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die. I've checked it out and it appears to be roughly true.

Hopefully the economic bailout (esp the helicopter money) will mitigate this, but if you tackle a risk to human life by tanking the economy, the consequences may be more deaths than you hoped to save.

 

[BREWSTERS]

"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

- Asimov

“The only thing that we know is that we know nothing, and that is the highest flight of human wisdom" Tolstoy.

BTW, I didn't know who Asimov was, so I looked him up. Seems amongst other things, he was into science-fiction.

 

[bonusmedia]

 

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[bonusmedia]

Doctors Adil El Taya, Alfa Sa'adu, Habib Zaid and Amged el-Hawrani. They died fighting to save others.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Truth doesn't need a PR campaign.

 

[bonusmedia]

*removed, this one was out of date, sorry.

 

[boxerdog]

Can we just delete this entire thread? there's forums dedicated to the virus that would be much better suited.

 

[anthony]

Can we just delete this entire thread? there's forums dedicated to the virus that would be much better suited.

Seconded, or simply lock it.

 

[newguy]

Help feed NHS workers one hot healthy meal each day - https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/feednhs

Almost £700,000 raised so far. It's a shame this isn't something available to them anyway, but in absence of it it's worth donating!

 

[martin-s]

So ask for censorship because people have other views?

It's the only option when the stakes are this high and the "other views" are complete BS.

 

[Murray]

Why lock it? for those posting it's something to do during lockdown (maybe not the best use of time) and occasionally some interesting stats/articles get posted

Maybe I'm naive but I don't think what anyone posts changes anyone's opinion on anything

We're all adults, we all believe what we believe one way or another and belief is more powerful than facts

 

[Murray]

Also there's probably a bit to discuss about the "Coronavirus Act 2020"

 

[LCHappy]

It's the only option when the stakes are this high and the "other views" are complete BS.

Then spare us all 5 minutes to tell us why the data is BS. Is it that these people are wrongly interpreting the data or are they lying? The stakes are high, people are going to die either way. You are asking people to take responsibility for a higher covid-19 death rate but at the same time you are not willing to take responsibility for high deaths from cancer, heart decease, poverty etc.

At the end of the day, as Murray says, we are all adults. If you want to continue to lock down, nobody is going going to drag you out of your house and force you to socialise.

 

[bonusmedia]

Then spare us all 5 minutes to tell us why the data is BS. Is it that these people are wrongly interpreting the data or are they lying? The stakes are high, people are going to die either way. You are asking people to take responsibility for a higher covid-19 death rate but at the same time you are not willing to take responsibility for high deaths from cancer, heart decease, poverty etc.

At the end of the day, as Murray says, we are all adults. If you want to continue to lock down, nobody is going going to drag you out of your house and force you to socialise.

This is a very difficult and stressful time, and it's hard to know who to trust.
You don't have to trust the government but we all have to trust the NHS with our lives now.
They are on your side.

It's not too late to change your mind. Sooner or later it will be someone you know.
Please don't break the lockdown to socialize, you may regret it for the rest of your life.

 

[LCHappy]

This is a very difficult and stressful time, and it's hard to know who to trust.
You don't have to trust the government but we all have to trust the NHS with our lives now.
They are on your side.

It's not too late to change your mind. Sooner or later it will be someone you know.
Please don't break the lockdown to socialize, you may regret it for the rest of your life.

I've changed my mind and sides several times during the debate. I'll happily admit I don't know, I'm still sceptical but I will stick to the lock down.

What would you say though if it was your parents who had their cancer operations cancelled, their Chemo delayed? Those kind of things are already happening to families up and down the country. The poverty from this will also cause deaths. If people thin austerity killed people over the last 10 years, what is about to hit next year will be much worse.

It is a very serious set of choices that we are faced with. I don't know the answer as I don't think anyone has been able to define a question yet. Is it deaths v deaths? Is it quality of life v deaths of those with months to live anyway. I think the Government need to be open about trying to define their aims.

 

[Edwin]

Quick update on transport. I'm sure many of you know this already, but in case you've not been following closely...

AIR
- London City Airport is closed
- Gatwick is down to one runway, operating for a limited number of hours a day [and no Gatwick Express]
- Heathrow is about to go down to one runway
- EasyJet has grounded all aircraft
- Globally, passenger flights are down 80%. (Cargo flights continue, generally - but of course passenger planes normally carry a lot of cargo too).

COACHES
- National Express will stop all services on 5 April 2020 at 11:59pm

TRAINS
- Hull Trains has stopped operating
- Most other train services are operating the equivalent of a Sunday service (albeit at different timing) every day. Some have cut certain rural stops entirely.
- About 40 London Underground stations are closed
- Eurostar is operating a much-reduced services; Ashford International, Ebbsfleet International, Calais Fréthun and Lille Europe stations are not being served for the time being

 

[Edwin]

@Admin If this thread does end up being locked eventually, I'd be grateful if you could keep it rather than deleting it. There's some really good info nuggets scattered through it that some may wish to refer back to (I know I will). Thanks!

 

[mally]

As I mentioned earlier my Mrs works in a&e and tels me the vast majority of the patients she has seen with Covid19 are elderly >75 plus with other underlying issues. Out of the 20 or so she has seen, all but a couple have been DNR'd (do not resuscitate) - down to health/nedical reasons not patient choice. Out of an icu of 30 beds, about 10 are being used by Covid patients although not all on ventilators. Other Covid patients are in high dependancy units. The annoying thing she finds is its still taking upto 4 days to get Covid test results back although that's just changed having received a machine that was approved yesterday that does the tests in 45 minutes on site (not sure how many it can do or if it's one after the other).

She tells me it's getting busier but there's still plenty of space (north east England)