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[diablo]

Out of curiosity, why do people care about the number of deaths as a value? What relevance does that hold overall when you don't know how many people have had the virus in those 24 hours?

Even if death rates doubled in 24 hours, it could technically be a declining death rate, if the amount of people infected had risen 50x in that same 24 hours?

I think you've answered your own question. Deaths are the only known variable.

 

[Edwin]

Out of curiosity, why do people care about the number of deaths as a value? What relevance does that hold overall when you don't know how many people have had the virus in those 24 hours?

Even if death rates doubled in 24 hours, it could technically be a declining death rate, if the amount of people infected had risen 50x in that same 24 hours?

A) Because a lot of people seem to be using the death rate as a metric to measure whether social distancing and lockdown measures are working or not. I think that's a very simplistic approach, but the number of people complaining about being in lockdown on social media when "only" 28 people died in England yesterday was astronomical.

B) That's an incorrect assumption, because the coronavirus doesn't kill instantly. Takes days or weeks. So if the amount of people rose 50x (how?) that wouldn't show up in the death rate for a while.

 

[Edwin]

And here's a video clip about the other issue I mentioned, about the way the figures are being compiled having changed...
https://twitter.com/SaveTheNHS4U/status/1242961446520213506

For some reason that baffles me completely because they are anonymised aggregate figures, apparently the Department of Health now needs to seek the consent of families to include deaths in the total.

 

[Siusaidh]

Guys, I don't think the rest of us want character assassinations of people, based on social media accounts we don't read and are not interested in. In private, we take people how we find them. I've always found Edwin principled, decent and trustworthy. I'm not interested in his political views outside this forum.

 

[Murray]

A) Because a lot of people seem to be using the death rate as a metric to measure whether social distancing and lockdown measures are working or not.

I don't see the point in checking daily

Incubation period I've read can be 2-8 days some places, 2-14 others

Then it can take what probably one maybe 2 weeks to be hospitalised? anywhere up to 3-4 weeks to pass away

I think the average timeline from catching it to death is four weeks

Then we have to take into account when there's rumours of a lockdown people spread out, apparently that was the case in Northern Italy and I'm sure when rumours of London going on lockdown happened many people left which will have an impact on spreading it

So all in all, at least 3 weeks probably 4 is the time to start looking what a lockdown has been able to achieve

 

[Murray]

A quote from your social media account.

Profiting from a worldwide pandemic and profiting from selling generic domain names I don't think are particularly comparable

Not that personally I have a problem with people making the right moves atm, they're just betting on the right thing, what were they suppose to do? see the right move, not make it and lose instead

 

[Admin]

@websaway @Edwin - stop it.

 

[Edwin]

I don't think anyone's posted this yet (sorry if I missed it).

Coronavirus Rhapsody (based on Bohemian Rhapsody). It was both amusing and very accurate...

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[Edwin]

Do you know the name of the guy in that video? I'm trying to research his source of that information.

His name is Nicholas Watt. He's Newsnight's Political Editor. Here's a tweet with a little more detail...
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1243145793621671942

 

[websaway]

It appears that if we can't actually post our views on our political agenda, we can post links to social media accounts that may or may not support our political views. That's interesting.

 

[Admin]

@websaway - I was just issuing you a warning and noticed it would be the 6th one! I've put a 1 week ban on your account.

 

[Edwin]

If you're looking for things to keep you entertained during lockdown, and to distract you from the news...

1) The National Theatre will stream a show free on Youtube every Thursday night. First up on 2 April is "One Man, Two Govnors" starring James Corden.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ntdiscovertheatre

2) The BBC have just added the entire archive of "French and Saunders" sketches to iPlayer

3) Goose's Quizzes do a "live" pub quiz every night at 7pm on Twitch. As you can imagine it's a bit amateur, but I did one via Skype with my family and it was fun enough... More details at their website (where you can also find links to the answer page from about 4pm to 5pm that day - you have to enter the answers on a web form).
https://www.goosesquizzes.com/

 

[Edwin]

Good summary of restrictions in place across Europe, courtesy of Frontex ( https://frontex.europa.eu/ )

 

[BREWSTERS]

No accurate though...cars and shopping aren't banned in the UK.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Oh look - Gordon Brown calling for 'a global government' to deal with the issues.

Crazy aren't I?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-for-global-government-to-tackle-coronavirus

 

[BREWSTERS]

If being right is crazy, I'll stick with it. You can keep sane.

 

[Murray]

I just went shopping for my mum

Tesco only letting about 15-20 people in a huge store at one time, queuing outside behind tape

Most staff wearing gloves, lots of shoppers in gloves and masks

Shelves were full though, finally the great toilet paper debacle seems over

Overall a very surreal but memorable experience

 

[BREWSTERS]

Would you believe ITV2 are showing the film 'Contagion' right now?

Insensitive...or pushing fear? You decide.

 

[mally]

Boris has test positive, mustn't have been washing his hands

 

[diablo]

Has there been any official word that this is true? At present, it seems it's only a journalist that has said this is happening.

Edit: I ask because people in the replies don't seem to know where he got that information from.

This has now been widely debunked by numerous sources from Sky News to LBC's James O'Brien. The consent of family is not required - and never has been - to publish aggregated anonymous stats.