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[bluerock]

And Nominet have done exactly what about this?

 

[super-whois]

And Nominet have done exactly what about this?

1. Allowed them to participate in the RoR drop last year, despite joining after the 3rd May deadline, whilst preventing existing members who missed the deadline.
2. Turning a blind eye to some of them joining on the same date from the same country, which should have raised suspicion. Having been to Bulgaria, I know that most residents would not have the money to join.
3. Ignoring complaints about this, and allowing them to continue to abuse the system.
4. Telling members not to discuss this on their own forum.
5. No due diligence, and zero regards to the Money Laundering Regulations... I wouldn't be surprised if all money transferred to Nominet came via the same TransferWise account.

And that's just the start of what comes to mind...

 

[Siusaidh]

The membership number is a long one starting with 2049 mostly - I have no idea how Nominet allocates or generates the last part of that number. It suggests however those members were all created at the same time.

And if I say that to Nominet, and they say "HOW does it show that those members were all created at the same time?" I don't see the concurrence and the proof in those numbers myself. How do those numbers show they "were all created at the same time"?

 

[Siusaidh]

1. Allowed them to participate in the RoR drop last year, despite joining after the 3rd May deadline, whilst preventing existing members who missed the deadline.

I'm trying to be forensic, not awkward, but do we have evidence that they participated in the RoR last year? All of them? One of them?

 

[super-whois]

I'm trying to be forensic, not awkward, but do we have evidence that they participated in the RoR last year? All of them? One of them?

Yes. A new member caught job.uk - this was already stated earlier in the thread.

 

[Whois-Search]

I'm trying to be forensic, not awkward, but do we have evidence that they participated in the RoR last year? All of them? One of them?

I wrote about those tags on the ROR testbed at the time here: https://forum.nominet.uk/forum/member-forum/technical/12424-new-tags-on-ror-uk-testbed

 

[super-whois]

And if I say that to Nominet, and they say "HOW does it show that those members were all created at the same time?" I don't see the concurrence and the proof in those numbers myself. How do those numbers show they "were all created at the same time"?

The numbers are account numbers, rather than membership numbers. I've received a copy of the members' register, but I cannot share information from it, other than using it for the purposes stated. What I will say, is that some joined on the very same day.

 

[Whois-Search]

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[meslam123]

Kim Dotcom Wins Back K.im Domain After Dispute & $100K Sell-Back Offer from Kalin Karakehayov.

http://karakehayov.com/google-if-you-dont-know-what-seo-is#comment-131982

 

[meslam123]

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[Siusaidh]

Yes. A new member caught job.uk - this was already stated earlier in the thread.

SUPER STORE BG joined between 3rd May and 3rd July. Do we know that as a fact? Sorry to be pedantic and appreciate your info.

 

[Whois-Search]

SUPER STORE BG joined between 3rd May and 3rd July. Do we know that as a fact? Sorry to be pedantic and appreciate your info.

He said he had the register of members but couldn’t share it.

You can ask for it under section 116 and as section 113 says it must contain the date they joined:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/part/8/chapter/2

 

[Greg]

Kalin: But then the problem was that when domains expired, we couldn’t catch them. So, the next few years were building up a catching system, building up monitoring systems, buying servers, buying accreditation, partnering up, integrating API’s. This continues to this day, and right now we are sending I think about 20 million drop kitting queries a day via API.

Kalin: We have 10 people. 10 people who only evaluate, and then help with the catching. We try to give the evaluators like not too diverse work. So, let’s say one evaluate UK domains, another evaluation German domains and so on.

Kalin: So, it’s really a lot, it does come back because we are chiefs care, we catch domains in a lot of different countries. We don’t catch the SEO domains, we catch premium domains, we catch traffic domains that don’t have good links but have a lot of traffic, let’s say former on a pirate websites or this kind of website. So, actually it does come back but the process is long, and if you don’t have at least six figures in capital to invest or if you don’t have, if you are very good developer yourself or you have a team of good developers. This may be lower but you need some, and the other two. So, it’s a lot of work and money to be invested.

https://sirlinksalot.co/kalin-karakehayov-seo-podcast-domain-extraordinaire/

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[stitchbob]

I would have been considered a new tag on the RoR, and participation in RoR was a good part of the reason I became a registrar. I'm not sure that joining ahead of a potential gold rush is necessarily an indicator of suspicious behaviour in itself.

I agree that a large number of new members who are geographically close and have similar catch behaviour would be more suspect though.

 

[Whois-Search]

Apart from the fact Tool.domains seems to have signed up additional members AFTER the ROR signup deadline closed (while taking part in it):

https://3million.uk/release-process/

I don’t have an issue with Tool.domains becoming new members of the company...

In fact if they want to spend £500 per member of staff let them. Even I pay for two memberships myself “Netistrar Ltd” and “Andrew Bennett”. However as you can see on the last voting rights my memberships are linked (one didn’t have voting rights):

https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content.../Nominet-Voting-Rights-2019-NED-elections.pdf

What the actual issue here is:

1. Tool.domains has not gone in to the control panel and declared the link between the tags under compliance.

Kalin need’s to go Tag settings > Complaince Details > 5. CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER REGISTRARS

Please describe any connections you have with other .uk Registars or Nominet members (for example this may include contractual, corporate or ownership connections).

During its annual compliance audit Nominet has accepted this question as blank ? Despite other members reporting those links (now clear as day) Nominet hasn’t done anything about it.

2. As they remain full members (not linked) that means they can apply for the DAC per membership.

Now I don’t know if Tool.domains has 17 DACs at the moment however at the rate they are catching .uk names on different tags they certainly have more than one DAC ?

v-a.uk 2020-01-23 EDOMS
grassrootsfootball.co.uk 2020-01-23 HKOSTOVA
dover-kent.co.uk 2020-01-22 TOOLDOMAINS
stern.uk 2020-01-21 MIXACTIVITY
mhn.uk 2020-01-21 NET-IN
mgv.uk 2020-01-21 APAVLOVA

If it is the case they are running more than one DAC then they are in beach of the DAC AUP clause: Anti-avoidance and Connected Persons - under this section:

For the purposes of (3) there is a strong presumption that:

• group companies (or other businesses) are connected to other businesses in the group;
• a company and its employees/officers/partners are connected to one another;

Apparently Kalin is claiming that he buys these names off the individual members (they operate independently) ?

However it is quiet clear from the parking ID at Parking Crew and his interviews online that there is only one person (him) funding this operation and collecting the money.

Kalin: We have 10 people. 10 people who only evaluate, and then help with the catching. We try to give the evaluators like not too diverse work. So, let’s say one evaluate UK domains, another evaluation German domains and so on.

[snip]

“we are good with catching in UK, we are good in catching in a lot of small countries. We do with Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Ireland, Romania, Ukraine and a lot of other countries Denmark, Finland.”

See interview transcript at the bottom:
https://sirlinksalot.co/kalin-karakehayov-seo-podcast-domain-extraordinaire/

3. If they are doing number (2) then they are also in breach of the voting rights clause:

4.3.3 The Board considers whether, in the best interests of the company, groups of connected voters should have their combined votes reduced to the relevant cap. If the Board decides that they should do so, those votes are reduced pro-rata accordingly. Groups of voters are ‘connected’ if either they are “connected persons” (according to the system set out in the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988 or any similar laws replacing it) or the Board considers that they are 'acting in concert' within the meaning set out in The City Code on Takeovers and Mergers.

https://nominet-prod.s3.amazonaws.c.../2015/08/58367_votingrightspolicy17052012.pdf

Those members should have their voting rights linked at the next AGM for ‘acting in concert’.

 

[Gill]

What a shame to see such a bellend behind it, I had no idea.

Have you dealt with him? He's a very personable fella and a good customer of mine, I've certainly never considered him a "bellend"? Also what's illegal about all these tags, I have plenty of mates who want a membership because of the stories I have about turning £3.75 into £000's. Why can't Kalin's staff staff become Nominet members to earn some money because they see an opportunity?

Drop catching is a cesspit, there were people on the original thread having a go at Rob who are bang at it themselves, organising their mates tags into shifts in order to make use of their new method. Rob's biggest mistake was getting greedy but as far as tactics are concerned, he's only doing what has to be done in order to compete these days.

 

[Whois-Search]

Rob is doing something slightly different to Kalin (he is not signing up his staff).

Nominet Members themselves have signed up to http://hostedchasing.com Or Rob’s hosted DAC service.

Now as I understand it even Denys had permission of Nominet to run: http://domaincatch.co.uk

However there is a very fine line between:

1. Selling a subscription to a dropcatching script (allowed)

And

2. Using the DACs together and sharing the quota (not allowed)

Also at the same time new members are starting to appear on the register who have connections to Rob.

Tag = [MARKETSEARCH] was recently registered to Richard Slater In Malta:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-slater-4b876330

Richard was Business manager for Malta.com in 2006 when Rob owned it:

https://cms.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/malta-com-for-sale-again.331315.amp

Now is working with someone in the past + Hosted DAC hosting allowed under the DAC AUP ? Can you ask someone (a friend) to sign up to your dropcatching service ? In my opinion it is allowed under the current clause if you don’t share the quota.

However Rob is starting to really push the limits of the AUP...When you then consider:

1. The names are moved to MELITAWEB
2. The names all have UKbackorder nameservers
3. The names all appear under caught on UKBackorder (auction)
4. Rob takes payment from the buyer, takes his cut
5. The tag holder (member) gets their cut

 

[Gill]

Rob is doing something slightly different to Kalin (he is not signing up his staff).

Nominet Members themselves have signed up to http://hostedchasing.com Or Rob’s hosted DAC service.

Now as I understand it even Denys had permission of Nominet to run: http://domaincatch.co.uk

However there is a very fine line between:

1. Selling a subscription to a dropcatching script (allowed)

And

2. Using the DACs together and sharing the quota (not allowed)

Also at the same time new members are starting to appear on the register who have connections to Rob.

Tag = [MARKETSEARCH] was recently registered to Richard Slater In Malta:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-slater-4b876330

Richard was Business manager for Malta.com in 2006 when Rob owned it:

https://cms.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/malta-com-for-sale-again.331315.amp

Now is working with someone in the past + Hosted DAC hosting allowed under the DAC AUP ? Can you ask someone (a friend) to sign up to your dropcatching service ?

In my opinion it is allowed under the current clause. However he is starting to really push the limits of the terms...

The system is broken beyond repair because Nominet can't prove that Kalin or Stephen are cheating with their staff.

 

[webber]

The system is broken beyond repair because Nominet can't prove that Kalin or Stephen are cheating with their staff.

That is nonsense!
If you can't prove someone is guilty, them maybe they aren't.
Opinions and forum debates don't really matter.
Collate the facts, build a case. The famous "innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind.

 

[Gill]

That is nonsense!
If you can't prove someone is guilty, them maybe they aren't.
Opinions and forum debates don't really matter.
Collate the facts, build a case. The famous "innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind.

That's what I said?