Worldcup 2014

[DaveP]

Sad thing is I look at the USA team and think how many of the England team would get in it.. not many

What's even sadder is England have 0% of the heart and commitment shown by the USA. Also USA have a far superior manager.

Quite simply, the England team, manager and the FA are absolutely useless. Why Roy Hodgson was ever hired is beyond me, I never liked his appointment at all, but then who else was there that was English? Redknapp? Pardew? If it had to be English manager it should've been Redknapp but he is not a 'yes' man and wouldn't have been afraid to drop Rooney if he wasn't up to the task.

 

[Murray]

Sad thing is I look at the USA team and think how many of the England team would get in it.. not many

What a load of rubbish

People seem to go well over the top when it comes to knocking the national team.

How many chances did Belgium have to score in the first 90 minutes? they should of won about 6/7 nil

The US work ethic was brilliant, they were gutsy, but they relying on Belgium fluffing it, they should of been easily swept aside.

England only really conceded a couple of chances against Uruguay, difference was Suarez finished them.

 

[PanzerWagon]

Sad thing is I look at the USA team and think how many of the England team would get in it.. not many

I agree - pre tournament I'd have said Hart in front of Howard. Not anymore.

What's even sadder is England have 0% of the heart and commitment shown by the USA. Also USA have a far superior manager.

Quite simply, the England team, manager and the FA are absolutely useless. Why Roy Hodgson was ever hired is beyond me, I never liked his appointment at all, but then who else was there that was English? Redknapp? Pardew? If it had to be English manager it should've been Redknapp but he is not a 'yes' man and wouldn't have been afraid to drop Rooney if he wasn't up to the task.

The problems aren't with who is manager - it all starts at grass roots. Too many on the gravy train in the FA and all the money goes to the wrong places. It doesn't matter who you put in charge of England, with the current setup they're not going to achieve success.

Dropping Rooney would have been a breath of fresh air, but it wouldn't have changed the outcome in the Group.

What a load of rubbish

People seem to go well over the top when it comes to knocking the national team.

How many chances did Belgium have to score in the first 90 minutes? they should of won about 6/7 nil

The US work ethic was brilliant, they were gutsy, but they relying on Belgium fluffing it, they should of been easily swept aside.

England only really conceded a couple of chances against Uruguay, difference was Suarez finished them.

0 points, 2 goals. I don't think it's possible to go over the top when knocking England. USA are now a stronger footballing nation than England and the gap will only get wider.

 

[Murray]

0 points, 2 goals. I don't think it's possible to go over the top when knocking England. USA are now a stronger footballing nation than England and the gap will only get wider.

Oh yeah

Lets see how many USA players are lighting up the premier league next season

Spain had a poor world cup too, I can only imagine Real Madrid will be cleaning out their champions league winning side to make room for some of these top US stars

 

[tifosi]

But you look at quite a few of the teams that shone and there were quite a few from teams that were relegated - from the premier league / la liga / seria a - but shone as part of the national teams. A few were released from premier league teams.

There's an obsession with taking players from the teams that finish in the champions league slots yet have displayed mediocre or poor form.

Why do we try to play continental football when we stick the England shirt on. It's perplexing. Why do the FA constantly pick the 'old gentleman' managers. We need a few Klinsmanns, Bilic's, or even Speeds (rip) to enliven the national game.

The excuse that this is a wip team that will be ready for the euros / next world cup is crap. Chris Waddle summed that up... I saw no passion when England played. It was just uncomfortable viewing.

I'd rather have watched England played like the US and saw them lose than be subjected to the ponderous pretentious crap we were given.

 

[timter51]

I'm with Murray on this one... everyone's got a hard on for the US all of a sudden, yet casually forgetting that Howard had to make a world record number of saves to stop them getting absolutely battered. A WORLD RECORD NUMBER OF SAVES! It could have been a proper humiliation if it wasn't for Howard's heroics. The US were also dross against Germany, offered absolutely nothing until a couple of shots in the last few minutes.

I'm not sitting here defending England, I thought we played ok against Italy in fairness but seriously screwed up the Uruguay match and deserved to go home. But to say no England player would get in the US side?! Give it a rest... I'd possibly have Howard over Hart at the moment, and that's it.

 

[AssetDomains]

For me England's failure was more about inept management the job was way to big for Roy Hodgson.

Yes we were in a hard group and two many players didn't show up but this has been England's worst showing in a major in over 50 odd years Roy needs to answear for that. He needs to say.

• why he didn't take Ashley Cole the best player in that position
• Why he didn't try and get Terry out of retirement as he's a far better defender than most others who went.
• If he had done the above two he could have played 3/4 of the defence that kept My team Liverpool and Suarez quiet at the end of the season
• He needs to say why he didn't drop Rooney / or play a formation were he gets the best out of him.
• He needs to explain why he thinks Luis Suarez isn't world class as most other people in football disagree. Even if he does believe this why he thinks its a good idea to say it to the world in the run up to a game were your about to face him.

All I can say is Roy should be thanking his lucky stars that Suarez bit the Italian as it gave the British press something to focus after yet another inept performance by the team that day.

 

[PanzerWagon]

Oh yeah

Lets see how many USA players are lighting up the premier league next season

It's not about "lighting up the Premier League" or individuals. It is about playing well as a team and being physically fit enough at the top level.

England do neither. USA do both. Hence why they are a better team, and none of our players would take their place.

Rooney can slot goals in past weak premiership defences week in week out for me when he has other good players around him and acres of space, but he's failed to perform at the top level. You can find kids on Saturday morning that could do a similar job to him at club level.

Why do the FA constantly pick the 'old gentleman' managers. We need a few Klinsmanns, Bilic's, or even Speeds (rip) to enliven the national game.

The manager makes zero difference. The problems lie at grass roots and the unfair distribution of wealth amongst the game. Until you sort that things won't change.

I'm with Murray on this one... everyone's got a hard on for the US all of a sudden, yet casually forgetting that Howard had to make a world record number of saves to stop them getting absolutely battered. A WORLD RECORD NUMBER OF SAVES! It could have been a proper humiliation if it wasn't for Howard's heroics. The US were also dross against Germany, offered absolutely nothing until a couple of shots in the last few minutes.

But to say no England player would get in the US side?! Give it a rest... I'd possibly have Howard over Hart at the moment, and that's it.

Joe Hart made zero saves this World Cup. Tim Howard made a record number.

I'm not going crazy over USA - I'm just calling it as I see it - they are a better team than England.

The fact Belgium could have scored 6 or 7 is immaterial. We could have scored 0 vs Costa Rica. Oh wait we did.

USA play as a unit, they're up for the fight and they play as a team. They're proof what can happen if you get 11 guys on a field who are in it to win it.

Which is why I why I wouldn't swap any of them for England players. As just to remind you - Played 3 Lost 2, Drawn 1 = Plane home.

 

[PanzerWagon]

For me England's failure was more about inept management the job was way to big for Roy Hodgson.

Yes we were in a hard group and two many players didn't show up but this has been England's worst showing in a major in over 50 odd years Roy needs to answear for that. He needs to say.

• why he didn't take Ashley Cole the best player in that position
• Why he didn't try and get Terry out of retirement as he's a far better defender than most others who went.
• If he had done the above two he could have played 3/4 of the defence that kept My team Liverpool and Suarez quiet at the end of the season
• He needs to say why he didn't drop Rooney / or play a formation were he gets the best out of him.
• He needs to explain why he thinks Luis Suarez isn't world class as most other people in football disagree. Even if he does believe this why he thinks its a good idea to say it to the world in the run up to a game were your about to face him.

All I can say is Roy should be thanking his lucky stars that Suarez bit the Italian as it gave the British press something to focus after yet another inept performance by the team that day.

Do you honestly believe doing any of the above would make the slightest bit of difference in the outcome of the group?

The FA don't get it but neither do the fans on this thread by the looks of it. What chance is there of sorting it out? :lol:

 

[Murray]

It's not about "lighting up the Premier League" or individuals. It is about playing well as a team and being physically fit enough at the top level.

England do neither. USA do both. Hence why they are a better team, and none of our players would take their place.

England problem is lack cohesion as a team and belief, the talent is there

USA don't have the talent, you can only get so far with hard work and luck

Id rather have the talent to build on than hard work alone.

 

[AssetDomains]

Do you honestly believe doing any of the above would make the slightest bit of difference in the outcome of the group?

The FA don't get it but neither do the fans on this thread by the looks of it. What chance is there of sorting it out? :lol:

Yes I do Uruguay are a one man team and Roy got that one man who was half fit completely fired up for the game and then played an inept defence against him.

You just said above USA played as a team they were organised and wanted to win.

On paper England have far more skillfull players than the US so it would seem to make sense that if you put in a Manager that can organise them motivate them we could have went at least as far if not further.

 

[Murray]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/thingstimhowardcouldsave?src=tren&mode=photos

This #thingstimhowardcouldsave is pretty good

 

[DaveP]

that put in a Manger that organise them motivate them we could have went as least as far if not further.

Yes you're right, put them in a manger. :smile:

 

[Bibamus]

Yes you're right, put them in a manger. :smile:

Might work for "Away" matches !

 

[PanzerWagon]

England problem is lack cohesion as a team and belief, the talent is there

USA don't have the talent, you can only get so far with hard work and luck

Id rather have the talent to build on than hard work alone.

Stick to domains mate :lol:

Here's a bet to put on: USA to win the World Cup before England next win it.

 

[PanzerWagon]

Yes I do Uruguay are a one man team and Roy got than one man who was half fit completely fired up for the game and then played an inept defence against him.

On paper England have far more skillfull players than the US so it would seem to make sense that if you put in a Manager that can organise them motivate them we could have went at least as far if not further.

We last made a semi final at a tournament in 1996.

Putting it down to the manager and him "firing up" Luis Suarez shows a complete lack of understanding and comprehension of the problem with English football.

With our current setup, it doesn't matter who manages the team - we will not win or even come close to winning a major tournament.

 

[Murray]

Putting it down to the manager and him "firing up" Luis Suarez shows a complete lack of understanding and comprehension of the problem with English football..

No it doesn't

Would Uruguay have won without Suarez, probably not

Would Liverpool have finished second without Suarez, nope

Would Argentina have got this far without Messi, doesn't seem so

Special players can make a massive difference

We have a misfiring and probably past his best Rooney

 

[PanzerWagon]

Special players can make a massive difference

We have a misfiring and probably past his best Rooney

Of course they can, I don't recall saying otherwise. But we don't have any special players to make a difference.

That isn't the managers fault.

The game is fundamentally flawed from the bottom up and it won't get better until that is addressed.

 

[AssetDomains]

Of course they can, I don't recall saying otherwise. But we don't have any special players to make a difference.

That isn't the managers fault.

The game is fundamentally flawed from the bottom up and it won't get better until that is addressed.

Greece, Costa Rica and USA and others don't have any players the same class a Suarez but with decent Manager's who cold setup a team they all done far better than us.

Anything to improve the English game at grass roots level wont kick in until Qatar.

Were the management problem can be sorted tomorrow. Yep we still may not win anything in the mean time but I hazard a guess we wouldn't be out after two games.

 

[deluxedomains]

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