UK2 !!??

Jac · Jul 19, 2006

texidriver said:
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Originally Posted by Jac
Bollocks!

Jac

Careful texi.... you're showing a sense of humour... and that could definitely be dangerous when you've only got one brain cell.

Regards
James Conaghan

bb99 · Jul 19, 2006

Jac said:
Oh, and I'm still having difficulty understanding why 99.46% of stakeholders have to pay even a penny more than they should because you think the rights of 0.53% of them are more important!

As a wise man I knew once said: "You're getting bogged down in the numbers".

The point, in my shitty opinion, is that domain transfers are a fundamental part of the registry function in the same way that registrations, cancellations, renewals, answering the telephone and going to the toilet are.

It is on that basis, and that alone, that registrant transfers should be free. That doesn't mean that they have to be free at the expense of security etc - I like the security and paperwork that Nominet's transfer process offers... I just think that it should come for free.

Domain transfers should be taken out of the same pot that pays for Jay Daley's tea bags, JAC's PAB expenses and the nice member lunches that they have occasionally. End of*.

Now I have 101 other reasons why domain transfer fees are bad, but I've said it all before and I can't be bothered to repeat myself.

* quoting Saskia from last year's Big Brother - what is the world coming to?

aqls · Jul 19, 2006

I think your opinion is of a fine vintage.

-aqls-

Admin · Jul 19, 2006

please can we keep this civilised

Jac · Jul 20, 2006

bb99 said:
As a wise man I knew once said: "You're getting bogged down in the numbers".

Actually I was getting bogged down in what the "principle" of cost recovery should be. The numbers are simply percentages and the percentages suggest to me that one shouldn't charge the majority (in this case over 99%) because of the needs of a minority (in this case under 1%).

bb99 said:
The point, in my shitty opinion, is that domain transfers are a fundamental part of the registry function in the same way that registrations, cancellations, renewals, answering the telephone and going to the toilet are.

It is on that basis, and that alone, that registrant transfers should be free. That doesn't mean that they have to be free at the expense of security etc - I like the security and paperwork that Nominet's transfer process offers... I just think that it should come for free.

Domain transfers should be taken out of the same pot that pays for Jay Daley's tea bags, JAC's PAB expenses and the nice member lunches that they have occasionally. End of*.

Now I have 101 other reasons why domain transfer fees are bad, but I've said it all before and I can't be bothered to repeat myself.

If you get a few minutes please send me by PM or email [email protected] your list of other reasons. I am happy to pass them on to the Executive for their consideration; but I have to be honest and say I don't agree that the majority should suffer even 1 penny's worth because of a small minority who regularly transfer domain names. If the positions were reversed I'm sure the minority would feel the same; they make enough noise about things they think are unfair and unreasonable on this board.

Regards
James Conaghan

bb99 · Jul 20, 2006

James - I will cobble something together later on and send it to you.

aqls · Jul 20, 2006

Though it's probably best given to someone else to present to the executives, given JAC's reluctance to give domainers fair due and a decent weighting amongst all the other stakeholders he has to serve.

It is hard enough for them to accept that we contribute double figures percentage to Nominet's income.

We need someone to champion our cause, not dismiss everything as too much of a change from the status quo.

-aqls-

Jac · Jul 20, 2006

aqls said:
Though it's probably best given to someone else to present to the executives, given JAC's reluctance to give domainers fair due and a decent weighting amongst all the other stakeholders he has to serve.

It is hard enough for them to accept that we contribute double figures percentage to Nominet's income.

We need someone to champion our cause, not dismiss everything as too much of a change from the status quo.

-aqls-

You are entitled to your opinion but at least one of us is prepared to look at all sides and put all viewpoints (that'd be me).

It is the job of the PAB to represent stakeholders' views. I don't have to agree with you to represent your viewpoints! Who would you rather deal with? Someone who bullshits and tells you what you want to hear, or someone who gives you the other side of the argument so people can see for themselves that democracy is about consensus and consensus can only come from the majority. Why are you so offended by me telling you what other stakeholders think? Or don't they matter in your thinking?

Regards
James Conaghan

aqls · Jul 20, 2006

I like to hear what the other viewpoints are.

I would also like the domainers viewpoints presented in a persuasive manner fitting the importance of this group to Nominet.

There are many stakeholders to convince.

-aqls-

tmsdomreg · Jul 20, 2006

aqls said:
Though it's probably best given to someone else to present to the executives, given JAC's reluctance to give domainers fair due and a decent weighting amongst all the other stakeholders he has to serve.

It is hard enough for them to accept that we contribute double figures percentage to Nominet's income.

We need someone to champion our cause, not dismiss everything as too much of a change from the status quo.

-aqls-

I think you're wrong, AQLS.

Regardless of whether or not you (or I) agree with JACs views on particular issues, he has without fail always offered sensible, impartial, sound advice - without prejudice.

Yes you need someone to champion the cause - but do you want a yes-man who will promise to get you everything you want (and fail at the end trying to) - or do you want a realist who will remind you that life (and business) is all about compromise when so many differing parties have to be catered for - that Change often has to be brought about by small steps (forwards and backwards).

Perhaps we're all reading different threads, because I don't see him dismissing everything as too much change from the SQ - I read "if that's what you want, go to Nominet and ask them" and generally opening doors for people to help them perhaps achieve what they are trying to achieve.

Phew! Almost got wound-up then.

still

Peter