.UK Announced

[websaway]

It can't be dead as they're still toying with the idea. The spark to ignite the flame exists.

The consultation proposals in the form they were presented were abhorrent,
an affront to the vast number of co.uk domain holders who have invested years in time and millions of pounds promoting the .co.uk namespace.
Those proposals are on record and everything they have done will not be quickly forgotten, the current board would lack the credibility to try again in a manner that would in any way detrimentally effect current uk domain holders.

 

[Systreg]

They could be persuasive, but they could also do that outside the boardroom. ultimately though the conflict of interest would without doubt occur if they were allowed to vote

They would have been less persuasive outside the boardroom, but more persuasive right there in person inside it, as far as I'm concerned, that's still a conflict of interest whether or not they were allowed to vote, the fact remains that anything they said in the discussions, can form part of the whole end process, which is a clear confilct.

 

[Stephen]

disagree

Edwin - for the second time in a day I find myself disagreeing with you.
I wish I could agree with your statement, but it is wishful thinking on your part. Yes, the proposal should die a quiet death. But it is unlikely to.
The .UK proposal will go ahead.
There will be a second consultation and Nominet will release a much revised and less contentious proposal. If that fails there will be another one.
Remember that the original drivers of the .UK consultation (greed and fear) have not gone away. Two very powerful forces.
Beware.

I don't think it is dead and I dont think it will go ahead (so disagree with you both)

It is not dead as clearly certain parts of the board/executive want to salvage something from the process.

It will not go ahead because there will be efforts from members here to make Nominet see sense in the damage they are doing to the UK namespace especially with the ICANN changes that are coming around and get the UK namespace back on course.

Whether it takes an AGM vote or an EGM to change the board or time for it to settle with the executive that they made a mistake with .uk.

 

[Stephen]

prove challenging

From the 26th February 2013 Nominet board minutes:

It was noted that Nominet’s market share for domain name registrations in the UK had been holding steady. However it was apparent that market growth overall, whilst still positive, was reducing. This appeared to be a general trend across all mature TLDs. Consequently meeting the budgeted revenue projections was going to prove challenging for the remainder of the current financial year.

http://www.nominet.org.uk/whoweare/structure/board/board-reports

Maybe they should consider doing what the rest of the country is doing and cut costs!

 

[websaway]

Edwin - for the second time in a day I find myself disagreeing with you.
I wish I could agree with your statement, but it is wishful thinking on your part. Yes, the proposal should die a quiet death. But it is unlikely to.
The .UK proposal will go ahead.
There will be a second consultation and Nominet will release a much revised and less contentious proposal. If that fails there will be another one.
Remember that the original drivers of the .UK consultation (greed and fear) have not gone away. Two very powerful forces.
Beware.

You might not be considering the fact that the more their original proposals are diluted the less lucrative for them the introduction of .uk becomes, and so the motivation diminishes. The smash and grab has failed.

 

[GreyWing]

It's not over, the motivation is still there, the people are still there...

Simply the method to extract money may change. We will still be working on our plans, the lies over the Emily Taylor case are still lies. We still have deceptive people at Nominet.

What's changed is that today they backed down as they knew they couldn't get away with it, tomorrow they will be back.

My favourite Winston Churchill quote...

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."​

 

[Stephen]

Winston inspiration...

It's not over, the motivation is still there, the people are still there... Simply the method to extract money may change. We will still be working on our plans, the lies over the Emily Taylor case are still lies. We still have deceptive people at Nominet.
What's changed is that today they backed down as they knew they couldn't get away with it, tomorrow they will be back. My favourite Winston Churchill quote...

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."​

Carrying on the fight with

I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

OR

"we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

[GreyWing]

Carrying on the fight with

OR

lol mate, it's probably my favourite because it's the only one I can fully remember

Jefferson has some crackers, so many I struggle to believe they are all is.

 

[websaway]

It's not over, the motivation is still there, the people are still there...

Simply the method to extract money may change. We will still be working on our plans, the lies over the Emily Taylor case are still lies. We still have deceptive people at Nominet.

What's changed is that today they backed down as they knew they couldn't get away with it, tomorrow they will be back.

My favourite Winston Churchill quote...

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."​

No chance from where they are now, credibility on this issue is in tatters.
Pricing, pecking order, trademarks, security, even if they could appease everyone they can't introduce it as a uk business extension and make money.

 

[Stephen]

Nomensa Analysis

It is a bit of an epic read at 77 pages.

http://www.nominet.org.uk/how-participate/policy-development/current-policy-discussions-and-consultations

see link "analysis of the data" by Nomensa

Not sure if they are totaly unbiased yet, an example is Question 1b

1b. How long should registrants have to resolve any notified infection before their domain is suspended?

Where there was multiple choice response from 24 hours to 14 days.

They did not point out that there was no choice for a no answer, so people would check there least feared option.

Although later they do lead with :

The most common comment type (53 respondents) was that it was unnecessary for Nominet to suspend sites.

 

[websaway]

This was not so much a victory for us as a total failure of a half baked plan to ruin peoples business and rob them of their hard earned money, to hold people to ransom for something that was already their own.
it is almost beyond belief that any accredited authority, before enlisting massive support for their scheme, would have the audacity to attempt such an act of pillage.

 

[Stephen]

Nominet Summary view of .uk consultation

at 80 pages you will need a cup of tea or something stronger.

http://www.nominet.org.uk/how-participate/policy-development/current-policy-discussions-and-consultations

on the overall summary link.

This was written by Nominet .uk policy secretariat, it appears on first scan through they are still on a different planet and have twisted the responses (as seen on nomensa analysis) to their own agenda.

It appears there is still more to do!

 

[Nigel]

Their proposals should be dead but its obvious that some of them can't let go of their grand plan. But it's going to be hard for them now and there is a lot of extra information and facts that can now be used against them. They had an obvious advantage and a headstart - launching a loaded consultation out of the blue, worded to get answers that appeared supportive of direct.uk without first asking a direct Yes/No question - they also didn't write to any existing registrants - instead hoping they had enough registrars and other friendly stakeholders on board to get it through - and still they didn't get the answer they wanted!

Thankfully there were a few influential people (like Stephen McPartland MP) and bodies (like the Information Commissioner) that started voicing concerns on behalf of existing registrants. So it will be an uphill struggle for Nominet to disregard existing registrants now - but it looks like its going to drag on for some time to come - which will only damage the .uk namespace further. Hopefully the members will get to discuss this openly and fairly in an AGM or EGM - not by just a 6 member board.

 

[Bailey]

The key to todays outcome is already in the statement on Nominets website. It's in that first sentence.

All powers that be, know the vast majority of individuals and interested parties scan-read. So by declaring "The .UK namespace will not be going ahead" is about as far as most outside of our circles will read. That opening sentence also closes down any interested stories and investigations that may have surfaced and can now said to be irrelevant

Sure there is the pages and pages of justification for Nominets time-wasting exercise (which is all it is) and the usual fence sitting statements of further examination and consultation blar blar blar.

Stephen, I agree with you a 100% the proposal is dead at least for another two years possibly more, now we can all get back to normality

 

[domainseller200]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21609406#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter On the BBC now too

 

[Bailey]

And has been pointed out in the other thread just started. Trust the good old BBC to sum things-up nicely.

PS Anybody want to buy a "Dead-Duck"

 

[Nigel]

The key to todays outcome is already in the statement on Nominets website. It's in that first sentence.

All powers that be, know the vast majority of individuals and interested parties scan-read. So by declaring "The .UK namespace will not be going ahead" is about as far as most outside of our circles will read. That opening sentence also closes down any interested stories and investigations that may have surfaced and can now said to be irrelevant

Sure there is the pages and pages of justification for Nominets time-wasting exercise (which is all it is) and the usual fence sitting statements of further examination and consultation blar blar blar.

Stephen, I agree with you a 100% the proposal is dead at least for another two years possibly more, now we can all get back to normality

Problem is this is Nominet we're dealing with. Yes they raise your hopes when you see the heading on their hompage which says "Following our Board meeting yesterday, we are not proceeding with our original proposal on ‘direct.uk’" but that was just the first half of the news release heading. The second half of the heading says "but we will respond to feedback by looking at whether a revised proposal will address issues raised in the recent consultation."

 

[Bailey]

Problem is this is Nominet we're dealing with. Yes they raise your hopes when you see the heading on their hompage which says "Following our Board meeting yesterday, we are not proceeding with our original proposal on ‘direct.uk’" but that was just the first half of the news release heading. The second half of the heading says "but we will respond to feedback by looking at whether a revised proposal will address issues raised in the recent consultation."

Nigel, these sort of follow-on statements to the headline message are a normal part of 'Politics' Nothing more.


BBC have summed things up in one word "Shelved"

 

[Nigel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21609406#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter On the BBC now too

Well the BBC certainly think its dead in the water apart from security issues. But, as far as I can see, Nominet haven't fully and finally ruled out the shorter .uk domain in the statement they released today.

Just saw your post Bailey. Nominet will need to clarify this.

 

[foz]

And has been pointed out in the other thread just started. Trust the good old BBC to sum things-up nicely.

PS Anybody want to buy a "Dead-Duck"

Under the picture in the article:

Nominet will reconsider its proposal for a .uk domain registration

Talk about mixed messages.