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I agree - as do Portuguese police.

No they don't. One or two officers have profited from asserting it but it is not the official position of the police.

But anyway - I thought you didn't believe the police? :)

What are you basing this one on? Perhaps they publicly grieved too much - is there an appropriate amount of grief that you find convincing?
 
No they don't. One or two officers have profited from asserting it but it is not the official position of the police.

Watch the videos below and then say that.

But anyway - I thought you didn't believe the police? :)

The UK police have a different view....I can't believe both of them can I.

What are you basing this one on? Perhaps they publicly grieved too much - is there an appropriate amount of grief that you find convincing?

Oh, about 25 hours of extremely well researched and detailed video, approx. half of which is below, aswell as Tony Bennet's research on the subject.


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Agree with you here Brewsters, something definitely not right and even if they didn't do it, why have they never been charged with neglect and why are they so cosy with so many top names and that slime ball Max Clifford didn't need to be involved.
 
I don't have 25 hours to waste watching anything that advertises itself by claiming the content is 'buried by mainstream media'. Ask yourself who they're trying to appeal to with that. If there was good evidence the tabloids would love nothing more than to run an expose, it would sell millions of papers - but even they are held to some basic standards on such things

If you seek out sources that agree with you you'll find them. You claim to see through lies - why is it that you don't apply even the most basic standards of critical thinking to the sources of your 'evidence'?

Anyway, I give up. Those looking for this stuff will find it everywhere. Ask yourself why you want it all to be true.
 
I don't have 25 hours to waste watching anything that advertises itself by claiming the content is 'buried by mainstream media'. Ask yourself who they're trying to appeal to with that. If there was good evidence the tabloids would love nothing more than to run an expose, it would sell millions of papers - but even they are held to some basic standards on such things

If you seek out sources that agree with you you'll find them. You claim to see through lies - why is it that you don't apply even the most basic standards of critical thinking to the sources of your 'evidence'?

Anyway, I give up. Those looking for this stuff will find it everywhere. Ask yourself why you want it all to be true.

If you'd watch the first 5 minutes, you'd see that the reason Richard Hall chose the subject is entirely to expose the way the media works in its bias.

You've just proven your own level of wilful ignorance and bias away from anything that could threaten your beliefs.

Back into your bubble.
 
I've learned to keep an open mind since the Jimmy Saville Louis Theroux documentary. I was so naïve about the subject at the time because I thought these things were just witch hunts.
I don't think it's good to become obsessed with these things but we also need to take a balanced view.
 
Humans have motive for lying; highly trained dogs do not.

"The evidence from two highly trained cadaver dogs who found the ‘smell of death’ in several places in the holiday apartment where the McCanns were staying - and in a car they hired three weeks later

As suspicions grew in the minds of the Portuguese police that Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann might know what had happened to their daughter, and might even have been involved in some way in her disappearance, the police turned to the British police to help them determine whether Madeleine might have died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz, where her parents had been staying from 28th April to 3rd May, the day she was reported missing.

They turned for advice to experienced Leicestershire detective Mark Harrison, who, after a week’s visit to Praia da Luz in July 2007 - in which he analysed all the evidence - advised that the Portuguese police should proceed on the working assumption that Madeleine had died in the McCanns’ apartment, and her body hidden or otherwise disposed of. He then brought in a top police dog handler, Mr Martin Grime, who had two highly-trained springer spaniels under his command: ‘Eddie’, who could detect human cadaverine, the so-called smell of death, and ‘Keela’, in effect a ‘blood-hound’, who could detect the presence of blood.

Dogs, it should be noted, are known to have a sense of smell 10,000 times as strong as that of humans, which is almost beyond comprehension given that we ourselves have such a highly developed sense of smell. The two dogs, trained and used successfully by top police dog-handler Martin Grime over many years, had the ability to use their faculties in two highly specific areas.

Eddie, who has been called ‘the cadaver dog’, can detect the presence of human ‘cadaverine’, a special chemical released from a dead body, usually after the body has been dead for at least two hours (sometimes as short as an hour-and-a-half). It’s important to understand that Eddie is trained only to scent the presence of the special type of cadaverine released by a human corpse. The scent of death from animals is a different form of cadaverine. Keela is a dog trained specifically to detect the presence of blood. She is therefore what is popularly known as a ‘blood-hound’. She has been trained to ignore decomposing body materials other than human blood, freezing with her nose as near to the blood as possible without touching the item, to enable scientists to recover the sample quickly and efficiently. She can even pick out traces of blood after clothing or weapons have been washed many times; when Keela was working on the Abigail Witchalls case, she found eight pieces of blood-stained clothing in just one day.

Claims have been made by the McCanns and their team of legal and PR advisers about the alleged unreliability of cadaver dogs, including suggestions that they have on occasions mistaken pork for cadaver scent. But cadaver dogs have an excellent track record and have been used successfully in several murder trials. They are able to detect the smell of death up to dozens of feet below the surface and even after a body has lain there for years. Spectacular examples of their work can be viewed on many websites on the Internet. In addition, Mr Harrison and Mr Grime, who trained Eddie and Keela, patiently explained that the dogs had traced the ‘smell of death’ - human cadaverine - on around 200 previous occasions. They had never once been wrong."

Source : http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm
 
No. I don't think it is true. I've seen the story come up 3 or times and I've thought about it for maybe 5 minutes per time.
Whatever happened was clearly horrible, but in the grand scheme of things it's one abduction/murder/whatever out of probably 100 every day.

You on the other hand have watched 25 hours of 'well researched video evidence' for this theory on conspiracy websites.
It's clear you are very keen to believe it.

Such websites cater for people looking for conspiracies to believe.
They are not in the business of presenting a balanced picture, it seems unlikely you have a balanced view
 
You on the other hand have watched 25 hours of 'well researched video evidence' for this theory on conspiracy websites.
It's clear you are very keen to believe it.

Such websites cater for people looking for conspiracies to believe.
They are not in the business of presenting a balanced picture, it seems unlikely you have a balanced view

But I'm also bombarded by MSM with the same information that you are. Therefore I'm getting two often opposing points of view - I'd say that's balanced.
Whereas your opinions are only formed from the MSM sources...which are system-serving.

Priceless!
 
For anyone who believes that we are the good guys; that we are fighting terrorism by bombing Syria; that Bashar Al Assad is a dictator and that's why we, the US, the French, the Saudis and Israel want regime change there...this is what MSM tells us every day - watch this US Senator and ex marine, and then you'll have a more balanced view.
 
When you talk about the 'MSM', do you really think that every journalist at every national newspaper or broadcaster is somehow bound up in some massive conspiracy to deceive the public on countless different subjects? Every single one of them?
 
Been reading the Turkish military coup was set up by Erdogan, was made to fail so that he can consolidate power even more and get rid of high ranking officials he doesn't like and point fingers wherever he wants

Forgive my ignorance, but has a military coup in history ever failed? and how.. unless the majority of soldiers just plain refuse to go along with it
 
It would sound about right....that was a very short coup attempt, and Erdogan is a complete slimeball.
 
When you talk about the 'MSM', do you really think that every journalist at every national newspaper or broadcaster is somehow bound up in some massive conspiracy to deceive the public on countless different subjects? Every single one of them?

No I don't - they don't need to be. News editors decide what gets shown and what doesn't. In the US 95% of the news media is controlled by 6 corporations - probably fewer here.

Are you aware that many news stories on MSM are prepackaged recordings made by government for news to broadcast? Look for it on YouTube....there's a nice video of George Bush answering questions about the practice.

Google Udo Ulfkotte.
 
Been reading the Turkish military coup was set up by Erdogan, was made to fail so that he can consolidate power even more and get rid of high ranking officials he doesn't like and point fingers wherever he wants

Forgive my ignorance, but has a military coup in history ever failed? and how.. unless the majority of soldiers just plain refuse to go along with it

Many more fail than succeed. You don't have to go further than Wikipedia to see that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_d'état_and_coup_attempts

It is rare to have the whole army on board with a coup, unless it's organised by those at the top with broad support of senior command... So you have to hope that speed, surprise, momentum etc. carry you to victory before the opposition gets organised.
 
Many more fail than succeed. You don't have to go further than Wikipedia to see that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_d'état_and_coup_attempts

It is rare to have the whole army on board with a coup, unless it's organised by those at the top with broad support of senior command... So you have to hope that speed, surprise, momentum etc. carry you to victory before the opposition gets organised.

Indeed, of course things are different in modern times with weapons, communication and organisation though

You would think most modern day coups, if supported in full by the military, shouldn't fail.

You would also think if you were going to do a military coup, the first thing you would want to do is surprise the opposition leader(s) and take them, under arrest so they can't organise resistance or stir up the people

I just looked up what happened in Egypt recently

According to Morsi, he was kidnapped by the Armed Forces and held at the Republican Guard headquarters one day before the army announced his removal

As far as I'm aware they never took Erdogan
 

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