Rob, if you want to go back nearly two years looking for things to tear me down with you should find a thread that's at least written in the same context, the one you quote me from was a discussion about sellers holding people to ransom and my reply to you was in the context of you as a seller. Taking one post from a seven or eight page discussion and using it out of context isn't adding credibility to your argument.
Not at all, it gives a good indication of your position on domains and where you are coming from. That thread was all about buying & valuation of domains - perhaps its worth a re-read all the way through.
The whole point of that thread was you believe a seller asking what they believe is a fair price for a domain is 'holding people to ransom'. Couple that with your belief there is no way of putting a value on a domain (even a ballpark figure) yet thinking your offers are 'fair' paints a very blinkered view point. Your view or the highway etc...
Incidentally, as you believe so much in the power of the appraisal perhaps you could post a link to the company that you use, that way Turbo would have the benefit of a choice.
I am in contact (unpaid) with 'turbo'. Hopefully the outcome is he saves a few quid.
Ah, the bit where it gets personal and you attempt to discredit me ...
Your point is what? The economy was bouncing along nicely back then, today it's f*cked, so things change. Have domain sales increased to any great extent other than headline sales, well they couldn't get any worse so there's a good chance. Whilst far from definitive, the best publicly facing data (domainsales.co.uk) shows over 1,800 sales ( Jan 2006 - October 2008 ) with a total value of £4.4 Million which is what a successful small business could turnover in a year so people will have to decide for themselves if that's exciting for a whole 'industry'?
It is not really attempts to discredit, you basically posted utter rubbish
I would say domain sales have increased in price and in volume since 2006 based on data I have, and as you show on the far from definitive domainprices.co.uk (not domainsales.co.uk) there is an increase.
My point was simple, back then you said domains were 'fu*ked' and say the same today it seems. I cannot predicte the future, but as this is all about basis and opinions I would like to think I was proved right
All about the basis and foundation of peoples opinions so it is quite relevant really IMHO.
I watched you go on a public facing affiliate forum in September and point a business towards the Nominet DRS facility in order for them to try and get a generic name from a fellow 'domainer' so you'll forgive me for seeing you as nothing more than a cuckoo in the nest and certainly not someone who I would want to recommend as impartial and professional.
Not sure what that has to do with this thread... but happy to discuss it!
That was an interesting case, the domainer in question was Lee Owen (banned on acorn and a4u) who I believe had previously had a run in with the company in question. A two word domain that matched their company name dropped and he approached them to sell it. The thread is over here if people want to read :
childrensroom.co.uk - Affiliate Marketing
As I said in thread,
'direct marketing' of such names can be seen as abusive in the Nominet policy - very fine lines and any DRS challenge would have won in my opinion. Oddly enough the domain was priced at £500, nicely below the cost of a full DRS.
I am not saying the DRS is perfect (read my consulation response) , but in the context of the above it is abusive. This is exactly the situation you yourself refer to in your DRS consultation response:
http://www.nominet.org.uk/digitalAssets/20682_Sean_Warburton_OS.pdf
You said:
A clear distinction should be made between approaching and offering to sell a domain to a company or individual with a legitimate claim or right to that name and approaching a company or individual that the seller believes to have an interest in purchasing for commercial reasons. As an example, approaching Ford Motor Corporation to sell ford.co.uk would be a clear abuse but approaching the same company to sell car.co.uk would not.
How is approaching Childrens Rooms Ltd with the domain ChildrensRoom.co.uk substantially different from going to Ford Motor Corp with Ford.co.uk , with the added element of previous interaction and knowledge of the company?
There is previous 'form' here, along the lines of self admitted on
Squillions Blog Blog Archive Merchant Madness , and contacting end users regarding names posted on Acorn before considering if to buy them.
I do not see that as a good way to go about domaining* and can get the registrant into trouble when they have not done anything wrong at all. As I said on that thread
And this is exactly why I take an interest in such threads. Domain traders are *not* all like this, the vast majority trade legit generic terms rather than try and profit off other peoples work.
I know I will get a large amount of abuse from Lee now
and I am sorry for him its come back up, but the above is nothing that I have not said to him direct. We disagree on it, but if domaining wants to be taken seriously as a whole we have a duty not to even be close to perpetuating the myth that all domaining is dodgy.
What this has todo with this thread I do not know, but it is true I think the domainers need to start cleaning up their act and I think domainers have a responsiblity to each other as a community along those lines as it will benefit everyone.
Scott, for me what your post shows more than anything is how many people have very poor buying/negotiating skills and would benefit from giving 10-15% to a broker in order to save money. What I will concede is that an appraisal done by a panel of experts would have some merit and legitimacy but the market is so disjointed and chaotic that unless both parties agreed to be bound by the appraisal it may end up serving no point.
That was a similar arguement as you used 2 years ago, there are currently no panels out there that do it. My method of using a range of systems and paid for services is basically me making my own panel - is that acceptable in your eyes? Am I allowed to charge for my time in doing that ?
In this thread you have examples of information helping both buyers and sellers get extra value, yet you still dont accept that collating such data takes time and has a cost and getting someone else to do it can be beneficial to some people?!
I am going to need a new keyboard if this thread keeps going...
(*For balance I would encourage people to read Lee Owen's post on Squillions Blog Blog Archive Domaining - The Service as it gives his viewpoint).
