Wanted: Domain Appraisal Shoes

[retired_member25]

The thing with books.org.uk is that people love to buy books online, it's more difficult to find as many people wanting to buy shoes online when they can't try them on (although I'm sure there are some).

Gotta be worth xxx though

I'm not sure. Time poor people, like myself do not have the time to go to a shoe shop and try shoes on, I know i'm generally a size ten, so find a pair I like, order and job done in 10 minutes.

With books online, Amazon is such a beast, I would go as far as saying 'Amazon' is the byword for books online and even the least savvy online shopper knows this.

Specialist, antique, rare books - could certainly be an enduser niche for books.org.uk, but for mainstream. I'm not so sure.

Just my 2c.

 

[newguy]

For years now, I've bought all of my shoes and trainers online. Not sure it's I'm representative or it's common, but that's my approach.

 

[domainseller200]

I'll be interested to see what you get for it if you sell it, I'm finding the org.uk market on AD a bit difficult to fathom atm...

I just don't get some of the sales prices is all.

It is exactly the same as the .co.uk market - what it means to someone and what they can do with the name long term - each domain and market for that name is totally different, and so is everyones perspective and ideas they will have for each individual name.

You recently bought country.co.uk for £2k - I recently bought suits.org.uk for £2k. If suits.org.uk was the .co.uk for £2k, I am certain you would have bought suits.co.uk over country.co.uk without given it a second thought (especially with your fondness of category killer product domains)

As a passive income opportunity, and also one which fits with your current business model (and my own to a degree) suits.org.uk is by far the easiest one to monetise and maintain, and at present both .co.uk and .org.uk are treated equal in G, so if its passive income your after then suits.org.uk is a better purchase than country.co.uk from a ROI position in my opinion.

Horses for courses, and your not expected to 'get it' if it is not something you are actively involved in.

Some reported sales seem way too high from my perspective when good keyword org.uk names are sat on Acorn unsold at £xx to low £xxx

It is no different to when you personally leaving good keyword .co.uk domains unsold on here when they are priced at £xxx to low £x,xxx - you have your reasons as we have spoken about it previously on MSN, so I don't see what is so hard to understand from your perspective, when you do exactly the same thing yourself, but in the .co.uk market and at higher price brackets.

 

[retired_member13]

Hi Frank,

I wasn't specifically referring to suits, I was talking more generally about the market being in flux, but your reply is interesting nonetheless.

All I meant by my reply earlier in the thread was that I'd find it difficult to accurately appraise an org.uk that I didn't have an interest in (such as IQ.org.uk where I've got the .co.uk also) because of the wide variance in prices and the apparently patchy interest wrt resale at the minute.

I've bought names like emeralds.org.uk, saws.org.uk, shelves.org.uk, sinks.org.uk, cabins.org.uk, satnav.org.uk, diningchairs.org.uk etc recently for what I saw as "good value" org.uk prices, so I'm by no means against the extension, I just don't think it has the same wider acceptance in terms of a reseller market at present, but then I'm no expert on org.uk, and my history wrt domains is mostly .com.

I don't disagree re: org.uk ranking atm, but my own valuations of names in terms of value / what I'd pay for something generally take into account the "safety net" in terms of what I think I'd get selling a name on in the short term if my position changed. For me Country.co.uk was a classic one of those in that I'm pretty sure I could sell it on for a profit regardless of any development. As such I fully accept that as a dev project it's got way less initial ROI promise than a lot of my other names, or of suits.org.uk, but then I didn't buy it primarily for it's development ROI.

Generally speaking I like to try to be accurate when I offer appraisals, and in this case I find it difficult although I like the name a lot - which is what I was trying to get across.

Like I say, interesting discussion though.

It is exactly the same as the .co.uk market - what it means to someone and what they can do with the name long term - each domain and market for that name is totally different, and so is everyones perspective and ideas they will have for each individual name.

You recently bought country.co.uk for £2k - I recently bought suits.org.uk for £2k. If suits.org.uk was the .co.uk for £2k, I am certain you would have bought suits.co.uk over country.co.uk without given it a second thought (especially with your fondness of category killer product domains)

As a passive income opportunity, and also one which fits with your current business model (and my own to a degree) suits.org.uk is by far the easiest one to monetise and maintain, and at present both .co.uk and .org.uk are treated equal in G, so if its passive income your after then suits.org.uk is a better purchase than country.co.uk from a ROI position in my opinion.

Horses for courses, and your not expected to 'get it' if it is not something you are actively involved in.



It is no different to when you personally leaving good keyword .co.uk domains unsold on here when they are priced at £xxx to low £x,xxx - you have your reasons as we have spoken about it previously on MSN, so I don't see what is so hard to understand from your perspective, when you do exactly the same thing yourself, but in the .co.uk market and at higher price brackets.

 

[domainseller200]

Hi Frank,

I wasn't specifically referring to suits, I was talking more generally about the market being in flux, but your reply is interesting nonetheless.

I knew you were not referring to suits.org.uk, I only made the comparison as coincidently suits.org.uk and country.co.uk were the exact same price.

All I meant by my reply earlier in the thread was that I'd find it difficult to accurately appraise an org.uk that I didn't have an interest in (such as IQ.org.uk where I've got the .co.uk also) because of the wide variance in prices and the apparently patchy interest wrt resale at the minute.

Yes I also can see this point too, but it should be no different to the way in which a .co.uk is valued in theory. The only missing part in the equation is the % value in comparison to a .co.uk name. Lets say at present a .org.uk is worth roughly 5% of its equivilent .co.uk as a domain name alone.

So if shoes.co.uk was £100k that would mean shoes.org.uk is £5k - a fair valuation of both in my opinion, as domain names alone.

Now lets flip that into a developed site on each name. It is an affiliate owned and monestised website. Someone approaches you to buy then website/domain name based on traffic and maybe it's earnings - does having the .org.uk domain name instantly devalue what you have by 95% JUST because of the domain extension ? of course not - again it all depends on your long term and also end goals.

For me Country.co.uk was a classic one of those in that I'm pretty sure I could sell it on for a profit regardless of any development. As such I fully accept that as a dev project it's got way less initial ROI promise than a lot of my other names, or of suits.org.uk, but then I didn't buy it primarily for it's development ROI.

Sure as a flip value then it is going to probably achieve a higher price than suits.org.uk at present.

Like I say, interesting discussion though.

Indeed it is

 

[sc2009]

So if shoes.co.uk was £100k that would mean shoes.org.uk is £5k - a fair valuation of both in my opinion, as domain names alone.

Thats how I see it, but agree its difficult to accuractley appraise anyname, it all comes down to what someone is willing to pay for it.

Don't get me wrong .co.uk's are in a completely different league to .org.uk

Rugs.couk sold for £60,000 so I feel that there is good value in Rugs.org.uk. I had a lowball offer of £300 from a domainer the other day so there is obviously interest.

I think with .org.uk the true value is in development where as .co.uk can be sold purely on the strength of the extension.

Good to get invloved in a debate for a change

 

[Ashton]

This is great reading

On topic - I agree with the £5k valuation though I would expect it to raise less on a site like domainlore (I would expect around £3k)

I would expect it to raise less because of the shoes.co.uk competition. Whereas diamonds.co.uk has nothing much. And well... diamonds vs shoes?

 

[dashu1]

This is great reading

On topic - I agree with the £5k valuation though I would expect it to raise less on a site like domainlore (I would expect around £3k)

I would expect it to raise less because of the shoes.co.uk competition. Whereas diamonds.co.uk has nothing much. And well... diamonds vs shoes?

Would you rather sell a handful of diamonds per year or zillions of pairs of shoes?

Have you heard of zappos?

I had diamondnecklaces.org.uk which was 2nd in google for that term and made some commission (some big commissions), but they were few and far between.

I'd far rather have had shoes.org.uk in 2nd place selling a far higher volume, even if the commission was smaller.

 

[binny]

I think its waiting for some sort of foot fetish site with aff links for high value bondage shoes. I could be wrong.

 

[Ashton]

Would you rather sell a handful of diamonds per year or zillions of pairs of shoes?

Have you heard of zappos?

I had diamondnecklaces.org.uk which was 2nd in google for that term and made some commission (some big commissions), but they were few and far between.

I'd far rather have had shoes.org.uk in 2nd place selling a far higher volume, even if the commission was smaller.

Aprox figures from google: Dimaonds: 10k, Shoes: 74k

So... 7.4 x the amount of searches.

Lets look at the gap in price

Shoe price (generous): £50
Diamond: £500

10x the price

However, less people will 'buy' diamonds online etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a great name and I think it could fetch a fair amount (5k+) to the right person, trying to be realistic.

Its all about the potential for the name, with shoes.co.uk being a developed site there is more competition which means its less desirable, the same with the competition on the term - shoes has a lot more competition than diamonds.

 

[dashu1]

I think you need to take the figures from google with a pinch of salt - clearly many thousands of times more shoes are sold than diamonds - how often does the average person (or should that be couple) buy anything with diamonds in it against how many pairs of shoes do they buy per year (and their kids shoes, etc).

I doubt most people buy diamond jewellery with any real value more than a couple of times in their lives - weddings and engagements mainly - and some people won't ever buy diamond jewellery.

But everyone needs shoes, and will buy lots of them in their lifetime.

Especially if they have kids, they last 2 minutes.

Aprox figures from google: Dimaonds: 10k, Shoes: 74k

So... 7.4 x the amount of searches.

Lets look at the gap in price

Shoe price (generous): £50
Diamond: £500

10x the price

However, less people will 'buy' diamonds online etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a great name and I think it could fetch a fair amount (5k+) to the right person, trying to be realistic.

Its all about the potential for the name, with shoes.co.uk being a developed site there is more competition which means its less desirable, the same with the competition on the term - shoes has a lot more competition than diamonds.

 

[Ashton]

I do appreciate that, but the value of this domain is in development, and development success depends on competition. It would be worth far more than diamonds at #1 but would be harder to get there.