September .uk drop discussion

[Gill]

There was a time when only Nomimet could change the registrant details and the largest part of me thinks that's the way it should be because we all know where the buck stops if things go wrong. I enjoy the convenience of free transfers for self managed tags but it also feels a weak link.

Just to add, this issue falls squarely at Fasthosts feet, their system is obviously not fit for purpose.

 

[Gill]

I just want to be clear why I feel strongly about this

The t&c or renewal are clear, you have up until it's deleted by Nominet to renew

It can't be you have the right to renew up until it's deleted.. unless someone else interprets that you don't want it in which case they can transfer it to themselves

When can they interpret you don't want it? if you haven't renewed by drop day? week/month out? if your domain doesn't resolve? if you have "2017 website.co.uk" at the bottom instead of 2020?. Doesn't work

Nominet need to defend their t&c otherwise they're meaningless and no one can run a business on a .uk

Thinking what's happened is ok or "naughty" or like "skip diving" means you're cool with someone highjacking your domains whenever they want

I don't have a problem with you being pissed off, for the record I think it's killed an opportunity - no matter how small - for us to catch some reasonably decent names. My problem comes when you make it personal and start calling people criminals. Anthony stated his case and we're afforded the privilege of innocent till proven guilty in this country so I take him at his word.

 

[Hay]

@Gill - Did you ddos my pc early hours to bring me offline and stop me catching haha ?

 

[Gill]

@Gill - Did you ddos my pc early hours to bring me offline and stop me catching haha ?

That would be our Ukranian branch, I'll have a word with them.

 

[Murray]

we're afforded the privilege of innocent till proven guilty

He admitted it, no one else has

Ok he called it a "test" personally I wouldn't have even done a "test" because you have no right

But being forgiving maybe randomlongcrapnametotest123.uk as a test ok fine

Pyramid and peacock and llls? how can you swallow that, what reality do people live in

 

[Murray]

Just caught dragon.uk that's a fun one

 

[Aaron Clifford]

Now the weekend is done can we revert back to the passive aggressive and sideways criticism of each other, it makes for a considerably lighter read.

 

[domainseller200]

Thinking what's happened is like "skip diving" means you're cool with someone highjacking your domains whenever they want

No it doesn’t. I gave an analogy; not my personal thought, so your assumptions are wrong.

The problem with people making assumptions is they believe they are the truth, they misunderstand and they take it personally, then they react by creating emotional poison with their words. This creates a whole big drama for nothing, other than trying to influence others that their assumptions are correct.

I’m off to continue filling my skip, anyone want anything out of it, then feel free to help yourselves

 

[Aaron Clifford]

No it doesn’t. I gave an analogy; not my personal thought, so your assumptions are wrong.

The problem with people making assumptions is they believe they are the truth, they misunderstand and they take it personally, then they react by creating emotional poison with their words. This creates a whole big drama for nothing, other than trying to influence others that their assumptions are correct.

I’m off to continue filling my skip, anyone want anything out of it, then feel free to help yourselves

Not chucking out any old domains are you Frank?

 

[Murray]

No it doesn’t. I gave an analogy; not my personal thought, so your assumptions are wrong.

I delved deeper into the implication that it's ok to take domains for yourself just because you interpret they aren't wanted

 

[Hay]

i have a family member who works in a supermarket, not long back they told me about a homeless person who takes food from the bins out the back... for example; Tesco has rubbish bins behind the back of their shops, If they find you in the bins taking food out they will call the police and have you arrested... Just because they are due to be thrown in the bin does not mean taking them is not theft, They have a strict procedure which is followed when getting rid of "unwanted" food however that procedure does not include someone taking it on the basis they assumed Tesco no longer needed it or wanted it.

 

[domainseller200]

Not chucking out any old domains are you Frank?

Funny story actually, there I was minding my own business on the way to the tip, listening to “hits from the 90’s’” when I was pulled over and robbed in broad daylight by two men who claimed to be people they weren’t, and unfortunately for me I didn’t realise what was happening. They then commandeered my domains as they needed them more than I did, and before I realise what had happened, they had stolen everything everything away from me before I had even got to the tip and fully made up my mind that I didn’t want them anymore.

I’m hoping for a full investigation from the local police department, and I have good faith they will find out the truth what happened, as they are the same police department who found the 9/11 terrorists passports amongst the Twin Towers rubble.



TLDR : No I haven’t

 

[domainseller200]

i have a family member who works in a supermarket, not long back they told me about a homeless person who takes food from the bins out the back... for example; Tesco has rubbish bins behind the back of their shops, If they find you in the bins taking food out they will call the police and have you arrested... Just because they are due to be thrown in the bin does not mean taking them is not theft, They have a strict procedure which is followed when getting rid of "unwanted" food however that procedure does not include someone taking it on the basis they assumed Tesco no longer needed it or wanted it.

But the police will only follow this up, if Tesco call them over the theft...

 

[domainseller200]

I delved deeper into the implication that it's ok to take domains for yourself just because you interpret they aren't wanted

I don’t remember saying it was ok?

 

[LCHappy]

Tesco has rubbish bins behind the back of their shops, If they find you in the bins taking food out they will call the police and have you arrested... Just because they are due to be thrown in the bin does not mean taking them is not theft

It's worse, these domains weren't even in the skip yet. People may have thought that they were on the way to the skip, but they might not have got there because Tesco's may have changed their minds.

 

[Murray]

I don’t remember saying it was ok?

Skip diving makes it seem trivial

But if that wasn't your intention and you don't believe it's ok then that's fine, thanks for clarifying

 

[Hay]

It's worse, these domains weren't even in the skip yet. People may have thought that they were on the way to the skip, but they might not have got there because Tesco's may have changed their minds.

Exactly and more to the point, Nominet has a strict procedure for expired domain names and what makes it even worse is some of those stolen was actually 18 and 20 hours into the drop day meaning that could have dropped at any second and people had wasted quota all day chasing them

 

[domainseller200]

Skip diving makes it seem trivial

But if that wasn't your intention and you don't believe it's ok then that's fine, thanks for clarifying

But if they are deemed the same thing, then how can one be trivial but the other not trivial?

 

[domainseller200]

[QUOTE="Hay, post: 637199, member: 16973”]

what makes it even worse is some of those stolen was actually 18 and 20 hours into the drop day meaning that could have dropped at any second and people had wasted quota all day chasing them [/QUOTE]

What’s the ACTUAL thing you have an issue with? The fact the domains were stolen or the fact that people have wasted their quotas chasing them?

This is why I used the term sour grapes earlier in this thread, as saying people had wasted their quotas all day on them just adds weight to the term...

 

[Hay]

@domainseller200 My issue is they were stolen, people using their quota all day chasing them on single domain polling (Meaning they missed a shot at every other domain that that day) just makes it worse but the biggest issue here is the fact they were stolen.

Chris did something very similar a while back and i believe he was banned by nominet, tag revoked and a criminal case brought to him... Those domains was placed into permanent suspension even the ones that was moved onto other tags..