Sedo Nominet Tag

retired_member6 · May 14, 2007

I was right then, fasthosts are ukreg... Edited earlier.

Time to move out of ukreg then, they're bloody useless with their billing system anyway and schlund is sitting on my personal name .co.uk - I wonder if I'm well known enough to win a drs yet.

So the enemy is schlund. Right. And you're right, you can't let them use that to benefit catching, can nominet be lobbied? sedo has got to be fought now, I've been losing out for months to them. There's a reason they aint got a tag or have they under another guise? They don't want to upset domainers at large just people oprating like me it would seem.

I aint happy, nice domain they got this morning. But as Millwall say... 'ck 'em all.

Whois-Search · May 14, 2007

At the moment anyway every Nominet member gets the same amount of DAC lookups: http://www.nic.uk/other/dac/

AFAIK no large registrar has been given extra DAC lookups yet.

Therefore if Schlund are using their DAC for dropcatching through domcollect.com then they are not breaking any Nominet rules. Even though Nominet would like them to use their DAC for customer lookups on 1and1, UKreg, Fasthosts and Sedo etc.

It just throws another question in to the whole should we stop dropcatching and have waiting lists debate .....

retired_member6 · May 14, 2007

Sedo now appear to be going the way of pool. Sometimes companies just don't know when to stop, but it seems many domainers don't wish to upset sedo which is a shame because that's bullying but nevermind if domainers feel that way that's up to them, I've got nothing to lose, I know what I'm saying is right and sedo aren't acting against the majority of domainers yet just those like me, so no worries...

Sedo, just get a tag and a script and start catching properly, then we'll see more domainers leave your site and remove their domains from being listed completely. You're in direct competition with me, go the whole hog and erase your UK userbase by going head to head with the rest, people won't fund their competitor they're not stupid, not in the uk anyway, surely.

If they're not breaking any rules then fair enough, I'm just annoyed but it's ok, I no longer with schlund and will try and get my domains away from ukreg as well when I have the renewal fees, poxy set up there anyway. They can't even order their renewal list.

Cheers
Lee

Whois-Search · May 15, 2007

Sedo are also trying to buy names off domainers for some reason.

Edwin · May 15, 2007

I don't see any problem at all. They're not "cheating" to get around Nominet's rules when drop-catching for themselves. And they don't provide drop-catching for others so they're not competing that way. If they're willing to buy domains too, well that's just one more potential buyer for sellers to pitch to (after all, no seller is ever REQUIRED to sell at a given price-point, so if Sedo's offers for names turn out not to be competitive, they won't get any deals done)

Virtually every major parking company in the domain space also owns domains, e.g. Fabulous, Afternic (BuyDomains) and now Sedo.

The criteria you should be using to judge whether to do business with them: at the end of the day, are they going to make me (more) money? In Sedo's case you get two bites of the cherry: you can make money from parking, and you can make money from using their sales platform to reach buyers that you might otherwise not have found.

The real world (as opposed to an imagined utopia some people seem to be inhabiting) is bursting with examples of companies that compete but also cooperate in various ways. The smart companies profit from the cooperation while keeping a healthy eye on the competition side of things.

Ask yourself this... If I pull my domains from Sedo, who's going to get hurt? I'd venture that 99.99% of the time it will be YOU, not Sedo - they're so big that the loss of one portfolio (or 10, or 100) won't even make a ripple in their bottom line.

retired_member6 · May 15, 2007

Edwin said:
I don't see any problem at all. They're not "cheating" to get around Nominet's rules when drop-catching for themselves. And they don't provide drop-catching for others so they're not competing that way. If they're willing to buy domains too, well that's just one more potential buyer for sellers to pitch to (after all, no seller is ever REQUIRED to sell at a given price-point, so if Sedo's offers for names turn out not to be competitive, they won't get any deals done)

Virtually every major parking company in the domain space also owns domains, e.g. Fabulous, Afternic (BuyDomains) and now Sedo.

The criteria you should be using to judge whether to do business with them: at the end of the day, are they going to make me (more) money? In Sedo's case you get two bites of the cherry: you can make money from parking, and you can make money from using their sales platform to reach buyers that you might otherwise not have found.

The real world (as opposed to an imagined utopia some people seem to be inhabiting) is bursting with examples of companies that compete but also cooperate in various ways. The smart companies profit from the cooperation while keeping a healthy eye on the competition side of things.

Ask yourself this... If I pull my domains from Sedo, who's going to get hurt? I'd venture that 99.99% of the time it will be YOU, not Sedo - they're so big that the loss of one portfolio (or 10, or 100) won't even make a ripple in their bottom line.

Yes, it all comes down to they're not competing with you, I get it, but they compete with me. It's ok, I and smaller domainers are on our own, don't worry about it, you're not I can see that. Move on, I have, I left them. I don't give money or opportunity to the company that denies me getting domain names. And if you can't see that then there's no point me trying to convince you otherwise as you're too high up to care either way.

*Yes another person to sell domains too... except they're getting the domains I want to buy that I might want to sell to. There's a Simpson voiceover here somewhere.

1and1domcollect · Dec 27, 2008

sedo said:
First of all, DomCollect is a subsidiary of Sedo, that information is openly available and we have never tried to hide this. Go to Home - DomCollect Worldwide Intellectual Property AG if you would like more information.

<b>Competition>:</b>
The advantage of having a subsidiary such as DomCollect is that we can use our own domain portfolios as test cases for new parking layouts. We don't need to go to our customers to find out if new parking layouts are working well, which is obviously beneficial for both us and our customers in terms of time and efficiency. What we learn from our own domain portfolios can also be introduced into our trading platform.

As far as being in competition with our own customers goes, our subisidiary does exactly that which DomainSponsor, Namedrive, Fabulous and others do - they all trade their own domains, register domains, and catch domains as DomCollect does.

The reason Sedo is getting its own IPS-Tag is to improve and speed up our transfer process to the benefit of our customers and transfer agents. That doesn't mean DomCollect will never use the IPS-Tag, but this is something that anyone can do and it does not give Sedo or DomCollect any unfair advantages.

Shaun

[email protected]

i'm the domain name: bruxello.com to December06 to december 08 but my domain is buy to domcollect - sedo - 1AND1
scandal! what is my Expiration Protection ?

foz · Dec 27, 2008

DomCollect use the Tag INTERNETX-DE to catch.

They seem to be prolific with 51 catches on the 26/12.

472 catches in the past 7 days (£2,360 in reg fee's).

I can't see them getting the cherries with drop lists that long.

Other parking companies own portfolio's, and build on them.

I just see this as another competitor.