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Can I just point out

I started the thread to raise awareness of the petition

I believe everyone in the UK should be behind this, because whether you want YOUR child to have the injection or NOT, other parents might

Just by putting your name to the petition does not mean the government or NHS are going to put a gun to your head and force your child to have it.
If you dont want your child to have it because your concerned about risks... Thats fine, sign the petition and just DONT have it
 
Personal to me as had a family member and a very good friend when I was 9 die from it

I'm sorry to hear that, absolutely no one should go through it and we've certainly signed the petition but will debate whether to have it when available through the appropriate channels. However, it begs the question why you are now considering it and not when your child was younger? Is it due to the media circus now covering the story making you aware? I would have thought having experienced it you'd be very much mindful of it already? No malice in my question, just interested to know if maybe the vaccination wasn't available before now, or you were waiting for a specific time which coincidently falls in the current public awareness?
 
I started the thread to raise awareness of the petition

And then some replies wanted to raise awareness that it might be a good idea to look into vaccinations before they're given

I would especially be wary of potentially unnecessary vaccinations, ones where the likelihood of getting something is extremely rare

You can't get vaccinated from life, can fall and hit your head or get run over any old day
 
Can I just point out

I started the thread to raise awareness of the petition

I believe everyone in the UK should be behind this, because whether you want YOUR child to have the injection or NOT, other parents might

Just by putting your name to the petition does not mean the government or NHS are going to put a gun to your head and force your child to have it.
If you dont want your child to have it because your concerned about risks... Thats fine, sign the petition and just DONT have it

My personal standpoint is that I wouldn't sign a petition for something that I wouldn't want my own child to have.

The section I've boldened above is particularly pertinent; in the US they ARE making vaccines obligatory...by the time a kid gets to 17 they are expected to have had 74 separate vaccinations. Australia has also made them compulsory.
Multi billion $ business - and if there are side-effects, they'll sell you something for that too.
 
My personal standpoint is that I wouldn't sign a petition for something that I wouldn't want my own child to have.

The section I've boldened above is particularly pertinent; in the US they ARE making vaccines obligatory...by the time a kid gets to 17 they are expected to have had 74 separate vaccinations. Australia has also made them compulsory.
Multi billion $ business - and if there are side-effects, they'll sell you something for that too.


Regarding the US & Australia
.. we are neither those countries..
US makes it legal to carry guns, this country doesn't

@ Ian-D

My son is 15 months old
When he went to have the last set of his jabs before his 18mths jabs we found out the Meningitis wasnt free on NHS we decided to save up to get it done.
 
I'd like to see some hard scientific evidence published in a peer reviewed journals Linking vaccination with autism. not some dodgy Wikipedia hearsay.
Vaccination's can have side effects and in some extremely very very rare circumstances people have died or been disabled due to serious reactions with them.
The chances of dying or being disabled should you get measles or rubella are much much higher than the chances of being harmed by MMR for example.
Sure look at each vaccine independently consider the risk reward benefit I probably wouldn't advocate the flu vaccine for everyone but stuff such as the MMR are a no brainer its statistically really not worth the risk of not having it
 
Regarding the US & Australia
.. we are neither those countries..
US makes it legal to carry guns, this country doesn't

Would you like to see the UK make it mandatory for children to have vaccines?

@ Ian-D

My son is 15 months old
When he went to have the last set of his jabs before his 18mths jabs we found out the Meningitis wasnt free on NHS we decided to save up to get it done.

I sincerely hope that it goes 100% well him and there are zero ill effects.

Out of interest, at what age is the first MMR administered now?
 
I'd like to see some hard scientific evidence published in a peer reviewed journals Linking vaccination with autism. not some dodgy Wikipedia hearsay.
Vaccination's can have side effects and in some extremely very very rare circumstances people have died or been disabled due to serious reactions with them.
The chances of dying or being disabled should you get measles or rubella are much much higher than the chances of being harmed by MMR for example.
Sure look at each vaccine independently consider the risk reward benefit I probably wouldn't advocate the flu vaccine for everyone but stuff such as the MMR are a no brainer its statistically really not worth the risk of not having it

There is one problem with peer reviewed papers etc...and it's the same problem that is obvious with things such as the Hutton Enquiry, and the Chilcot enquiry. When one body picks their friends to investigate themselves there's only ever going to be one outcome.

Asset-domains - this section (below) that you've written is totally, 100% your opinion and not based on anything other than your perception gleaned from mainstream media reports, and if you're honest with yourself you'll admit it...you don't have to admit it here. Do you know anyone who died or is disabled from measles or rubella? Ever? I'm 47...never heard of one.

"The chances of dying or being disabled should you get measles or rubella are much much higher than the chances of being harmed by MMR for example."

I know families (eight that I can recall but I think there are a couple more that I can't bring to mind just now) who have seen their children change within hours of vaccination. And they don't come back - it isn't reversible. Autism isn't all rain man, remembering stuff or playing the piano like a pro. Imagine having to buy special pyjamas that prevent a 'smearing' problem every night.

Where I work there are 16 people - 3 have family members with autism. I never heard of autism until my mid 20's and neither did anyone I know. I was born in 1968 - MMR was introduced in 1988.

The media does such an awesome job on the majority of people, that when someone tries to help by pointing out an issue that they have direct experience of, and wants to send out a simple message of caution....that some people will blindly protect the corporations who are set to profit. All I have to gain by speaking out is probably ridicule; but if you can see danger where others can't you have to put yourself out there...

Oil companies become fantastically wealthy because people have to come back time and time again.
Pharma companies become fantastically wealthy because people have to come back time and time again.

Why do people protect one but not the other? Fear. They're emotionally linked to wanting the drugs to work.

If BP started selling petrol that your car would run for 1000 miles on a gallon...or a pharma company sold you something that kept you well...they'd go the same way.
 
think he had his MMR at 9 months I think
not sure without looking in his book
 
When he went to have the last set of his jabs before his 18mths jabs we found out the Meningitis wasnt free on NHS we decided to save up to get it done.

What jabs at 18 months? None of the standard ones are at that time?!?!
 
I don't want to get into a big debate on this. I have sympathy for anyone suffering with autism
No I don't just get my information from mainstream media (which far from perfect is a lot more reliable than most of what you find published online)
I have a degree in genetics which involved a fair bit of study on immunology and even an optional module on neuroscience (I'm far from an expert on autism but I believe MRI scans show physiological differences in the neuronal pathways in their brains) I'm sorry whilst id conceded that neurons could potentially be damaged even destroyed by an adverse effect of a drug. could they be rewired in a mater of hours no way its just not how it works.
The reason why you have never heard of people dying of measles in the uk is simple vaccination works so now it is very rare it wasn't always that way.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
Check out the statistics in the developing world and you will see a very different picture
 
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I never realised children had so many vaccines at a young age

You have almost have more vaccine than baby by 1 years old lol.

Yeah, there are loads, thankfully our son didn't have any ill reactions to any of them which is usually quite common for a few days or weeks after (and perfectly normal).
 
I don't want to get into a big debate on this. I have sympathy for anyone suffering with autism
No I don't just get my information from mainstream media (which far from perfect is a lot more reliable than most of what you find published online)
I have a degree in genetics which involved a fair bit of study on immunology and even an optional module on neuroscience (I'm far from an expert on autism but I believe MRI scans show physiological differences in the neuronal pathways in their brains) I'm sorry whilst id conceded that neurons could potentially be damaged even destroyed by an adverse effect of a drug. could they be rewired in a mater of hours no way its just not how it works.
The reason why you have never heard of people dying of measles in the uk is simple vaccination works so now it is very rare it wasn't always that way.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
Check out the statistics in the developing world and you will see a very different picture

Those are interesting statistics...bear in mind that MMR was introduced in the UK in 1988; see how deaths had been steadily dropping before it was introduced.

If instances of autism were charted next to the measles figures, you would see an exponential increase from 1988 from less than 1/10,000 to 1/100

It's for everyone to decide if there is a link.
 
think he had his MMR at 9 months I think
not sure without looking in his book

Gosh that's young.

The first one used to be at 2yo...that's how people made a connection between the vaccine and the onset of autism through stopping or reversal of development. The younger the child, the more difficult it is to see any change in development.
 
The MMR link to autism was completely fabricated and the person behind it, Andrew Wakefield, had his medical license revoked. He is a fraud and in my opinion should be jailed for a long time. Unfortunately the damage his 'story' did is still (unbelievably) happening as people know about the lies but don't know that it was discovered to be bollocks. I have an autistic son and this has NOTHING to do with vaccines. There is no link and never has been.
 
Those are interesting statistics...bear in mind that MMR was introduced in the UK in 1988; see how deaths had been steadily dropping before it was introduced.
Yes but the first measles vaccine was introduced to the UK in the 60's and that's when deaths started dropping. The uptake wasn't as high as it is now so decline wasn't as rapid interestingly as you point out when there was wide uptake following the instruction of MMR the death rate dropped to near zero rates we see today

If instances of autism were charted next to the measles figures, you would see an exponential increase from 1988 from less than 1/10,000 to 1/100

It's for everyone to decide if there is a link.

When the MMR scare happened many different studies looked at the numbers in great detail. when you look objectively at it kids who had the vaccine against those who didn't there is no significant difference in autism numbers this was categorically proven.

Why has there been a increase in the number of cases autism there could be any number of reasons all these are just pure speculation.

Increase in the numbers of people taking recreational drugs either before they realised they were pregnant or sadly irrespective of the fact. Autism is most likey developed when are brains are being developed in the womb anything that interferes with this can only be bad.

The way the modern family is made up Kids have far less siblings these days so there's less social interaction with other kids.
Kids are often plumped in front of the TV as a babysitter keep them quiet.
Mums are not respected for choosing to stay at and look after their kids for me the most important job in the world. In fact they often encouraged / forced due to economic reasons to do the exact opposite. While child minders and such may keep your kid safe they are not going to be a vested in giving the same attention a loving parent might.

The vast proliferation of electromagnetic frequencies,were all subjected to in modern life radio, satellite, mobile, wi-fi etc. we don't think there harmful but the jury's out on the long term effects.

Finally as there's no physical diagnosis carried out and it often just the subjective view of an educational psychologist so miss diagnosis / over diagnosis just to give themselves a living could come into play. Its not just Big Pharma who are looking to make money.

As you say its a spectrum and there are people who find it hard to function in the world. I see this as a far different disorder to kids who like myself were shy at school and took a little longer to get stuck in now a days kids like this are labelled with autism or Asperger's at the drop of a hat.

All of the above is just speculation theirs no evidence that I'm aware of to support any of it.

What there is however is cold hard evidence that categorically disproves any link between MMR and autism
 
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Exactly assetdomains. The only 'link' has been the improvement of detection and understanding of the autistic spectrum. It's like saying that the increase of internet users has a 'link' to rise in autism because they both independently occurred at the same time. They are of course not linked but statistically one could attempt to make a case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
 
Been phoning around for over a month ( before the media explosion and before that story broke ), trying to find a private vaccine on the Norfolk coast seems to be impossible, might be a trip into the city ( Norwich or Peterborough ) for us. Despite the thoughts in this thread we've weighed up everything we believe we need to know and we will be vaccinating our little one who missed out by a month or so.

If she got meningitis after us knowing there is a vaccine for it id never forgive myself, knowing a number of people who have had to deal with it first hand and seeing what devastation it leaves behind its a pretty easy decision.

If you haven't had kids, you're not even remotely qualified to offer an opinion (imo). My opinion on a debate like this before having a little one would have been significantly different to how I think now. Thoughts and priorities change.
 

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