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I have not queried the professional integrity of anyone. I have been careful not to do so if you re-read my posts to nom-steer. What I have queried is the desirability of the majority of the elected membership of the PAB being from any one single sector of the .uk constituency. Not on the gounds of the undesirability of that sector but on the grounds that such a concentration from one sector necessarily reduces the number of elected PAB members with experience of other sectors.

Hazel

I'm not JAC so I won't get into the minutae of exactly what was and wasn't said :rolleyes:

From what I can see, the people in question are not solely in this one sector and devoid of experience from other sectors. Hence I'm not sure that the apparent concentration from this sector does reduce the experience of other sectors.

On the flipside though, I'm sure the Nominet board will take everything from the PAB with a pinch of salt now it's "full of domainers" :p
 
From what I can see, the people in question are not solely in this one sector and devoid of experience from other sectors. Hence I'm not sure that the apparent concentration from this sector does reduce the experience of other sectors.
...I'd like to support your statement there bb, as personally speaking I have had vastly more experience in other industry sectors (15 years worth in total) compaired to that of my experience in the secondary market.

Regards,

Sneezy.
 
personally speaking I have had vastly more experience in other industry sectors (15 years worth in total) compaired to that of my experience in the secondary market.

But my interest in you in your role as a Nominet PAB member is in your experience within the .uk industry. As a member of the PAB you are there to advise the Board on .uk policy issues. Could you tell me what experience you have of the .uk industry other than in the secondary market?

Hazel
 
Hazel,

You can only vote for those who stand for election, given that a significiant number of those standing were from the domaining community and very few others stood, the result had to fall on the domaining side.

It would be intersting to know how many members actually voted and why those who didn't vote didn't bother.
 
It would be intersting to know how many members actually voted and why those who didn't vote didn't bother.

Having been to a few Nominet member lunches, the lion's share of people who turn up to those just see Nominet as a supplier who they have to use to get the best price on .uk domain names. They aren't bothered about "membership" and they aren't all that bothered about the PAB and stuff. Nominet are just another supplier. Things like "PAB" and "DRS" and mean nothing to them!

Of course, not everyone falls into that category. But the majority of people at the lunches I've been to did. They're just happy to get their domains for a fiver, the rest is just hot air :mrgreen:
 
But my interest in you in your role as a Nominet PAB member is in your experience within the .uk industry. As a member of the PAB you are there to advise the Board on .uk policy issues. Could you tell me what experience you have of the .uk industry other than in the secondary market?

Hazel

Frankly, i don't think it matters whether Simon has any other domain industry experience, given that as a 'board', the vast majority of the other PAB members do have that experience. Just like various government advisory boards, there are often members invited to partake for the very reason that they can bring a fresh perspective to the proceedings in hand.
Let's presume for a moment that Simon tells you he has no other experience of the '.uk industry'. Having asked the question, what would your feelings be about that Hazel?
Also Hazel, i have a question for you. Simon's pre-election posts here clearly set out his feelings that he will question matters & proceedings if elected, which of course brings the potential to upset the apple cart! What are your feelings about this Hazel, do you consider Simon's stance might ruffle a few feathers?
 
Let's presume for a moment that Simon tells you he has no other experience of the '.uk industry'. Having asked the question, what would your feelings be about that Hazel?

It would confirm my understanding of his experience. I don't have a problem with Simon, or any other person from a secondary market background, being on the PAB. I think a couple of PAB members from that background would be healthy. But I do have a problem when any one area of experience is over-represented.

Also Hazel, i have a question for you. Simon's pre-election posts here clearly set out his feelings that he will question matters & proceedings if elected, which of course brings the potential to upset the apple cart! What are your feelings about this Hazel, do you consider Simon's stance might ruffle a few feathers?

As someone who often ruffles feathers and upsets apple carts I have no problem with the idea in principle. I'll have to reserve judgement as to whether or not I agree with Simon's choice of feathers and carts until I have had a chance to see him in action.

Hazel
 
But my interest in you in your role as a Nominet PAB member is in your experience within the .uk industry. As a member of the PAB you are there to advise the Board on .uk policy issues. Could you tell me what experience you have of the .uk industry other than in the secondary market?

Hazel

Ken Livingstone is mayor and he clearly has no idea what he is doing but he was voted in (not saying our acorn colleagues dont) but you get the gist im not a fan. There is nothing i can do about it apart from vote boris next time.
 
There seems to be an inference on Nom-Steer that members participating in the secondary market are all scoundrels that have interest in no matters other than DRS; DAC abuse, and other manipulating ploys. This is actually not the case. A year ago, it could be said that there were a fair few outrageous TM domains registered. The reality is, in my experience, that the participants are staying well clear of that type of activity.

What might be useful is a clear statement from Nominet that there will be no sudden interference with domaining activity and that people that stay within the rules are not singled out and regarded as belonging to some alien SIG. Many of us have a considerable investment in this part of the market and we pay our dues like all the other members.
 
Hazel,

If it were any other sector of the ".uk industry" that had increased PAB representation, whatever the points being made on nom-steer are, they presumably would not be being made (don't kid me otherwise). That indicates a bias to me.

When a minority is singled out (with some prejudice in this case no doubt), they tend to react - hence the election result. If other groupings had similar issues they would have got people onto the PAB accordingly - so its quite healthy.

At a minimum the PAB individuals in question I see as passionate about domaining and the success of .uk - lets see where they take it and not undermine it from the get-go. There's always the next election cycle for other groups to fix things if they see a resultant problem.

Regards, Nick.
 
If it were any other sector of the ".uk industry" that had increased PAB representation, whatever the points being made on nom-steer are, they presumably would not be being made (don't kid me otherwise).

They would by me. And no, I'm not kidding you. I'd be just as concerned if the PAB had a majority of members from 'whatever Pipex is called this week', 1&1, etc.

Hazel
 
They would by me. And no, I'm not kidding you. I'd be just as concerned if the PAB had a majority of members from 'whatever Pipex is called this week', 1&1, etc.

Last year both Jarrod & I worked at Pipex and Mark & Alex K. worked for Kingston....

We were told we are elected as individuals and it wasn't an issue.
 
a bit rich

It is a bit rich slammin the new blend of PAB members....the conduct of PAB members election is a bit one sided anyway....that is to say the observing PAB members are all on one side of the fence....Sedo or similar should have been invited in the same manner as a government official.

Personally I am glad to see Sedo represented as they are concerned that the right to buy and sell domain names is protected, recently Sedo sent an email highlighting proposed legislation...i.e. the US phishig act

Lee
 
Lets be fair

Lets be fair...Hazel has great intentions and has worked very hard for the PAB so no need to attck her.

I think you need a PAB that is solely from the domain name comunnity as this will be strong enough to truly confront the key issues that tend to be washed under the table by politicians and top lawyers....lets jsut say money talks
 
elected is elected

I have not said otherwise. Neither have I suggested that any of the recently elected PAB members shouldn't have been elected or are unfit to be elected. In fact I have made no personal comments to, or about, anyone.

I have simply said that I am concerned that so many PAB members appear to be drawn from those with experience of the secondary market. Not because of any views that I may hold on the secondary market but because I think it unhealthy for the elected PAB membership to be dominated by any one sector of the domain industry - a situation that will have the effect of reducing the expertise from other areas.

None of which is a criticism of any of the newly elected PAB members.

Hazel
 
^ But, just like in politics, those who lobby to address the concerns of a receptive electorate are often the ones who get the winning vote(s).

If nobody else gives a toss to put forward winning arguements to address the expectations of other parties, then it really isn't relevant to delve any deeper into the wider experience of the elected members. Otherwise where this is heading is towards an appointed Select Committee, rather than elected Policy Advisory Body.

If one sector proves to be dominant in securing votes, then let the other sectors up their efforts to secure election. I don't see how it can be either healthy or fair to even consider questioning the wider experience of people who have been voted in fair and square, especially so soon after the election has been conducted. On a personal level it may be of interest to you, but these people have been successfully voted in.

None of them have even had the opportunity to sit their first PAB meeting after this election, and i am surprised that you can't see why your comments may not be seen as anything else other than likely to undermine the new PAB members before they've even had a chance to get their feet under the table, because that's how it looks from here.

Purely out of interest, perhaps you could profile exactly what types of people you think are more inline with your expectations for PAB members, then perhaps we can encourage such types to put themselves up for election in the future.
 
Doubletap is right

That is right....the electorate are mostly concerned that the 'registration' part needs work before moving onto wider issues...fundamentally the registrant is concerned that :-

1 They give Nominet too much money by way of registration fees
2 Nominet are able to take domain names away via a DRS that is 'wide' in nature

Lee
 
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