Nominet's recommendation to goto Acorn

[rob]

You may wish to note that since your accusations and allegations on this board, Nominet personnel have ceased to interact. In this respect (and as I said before) personally, I think your crusade has been counterproductive because you (and some others) have deprived Acorn Domains of a valuable communication channel and for what? Your own vanity?

And thus why some people are 'uneasy' with you (grandin) bollocking on , if you have a complaint with nominet there are enough channels to follow it up in a proper manner.

Nominet directed me to a site that talks about registering typos

Thus by your WonderLogic they support it.

Therefore following that logic everything posted on Acorn is endorsed by Nominet - or are you being selective?

Nominet of course will diversify into crap jokes, marshall amp opinions, a new fund to support zidanes headbutt, driving theory advice and of course take full responsibility for the current heat wave. Or not.

 

[grandin]

5 million

5 million registrants...As a PAB member good statement jac. Given so much talk by you is about the wider community...why are you sad...Nominet will probably go and give more advice to the whole community instead of a handful on Acorn members...are you sad because you never advised Nomient as part of your duties as a long standing PAB member ie. to direct more time to the wider community instead of Acorn?....I dont understand what are you sad about?

It is clearly unfair to offer advice to a select community...to continue to ignore this fact is not good for Nominet, so maybe you should consider how you are good for Nominet...I think in your crusade to back Nominet you have lost sight of the wider community...you have spent alot of time on this forum backing Nominet...convincing a select number....As Michael said to me....get out there and see the world.........hold seminars throughtout the UK instead of typing away on your Acorn interface....many small businesses and individuals need your help Jac....more than Nominet....you speak with words wisely jac but maybe you should move with them too...get out there and advise them all

My work is done now...I am sorry Acorn but lets face it you shouldn't infringe on other rights...should you?

 

[sneezycheese]

The policy does not allow for recompense in terms of the DRS. Some of us think it should and we're still working towards this, but it doesn't mean we'll get there, it just means we're trying to.

...I wish you luck and I hope you have some success, but at the end of the day I don't think Nominet (or an 'expert') will ever openly admit fault and thus pay for it.

Incidentally Sneezy, this is why I get so frustrated with some of the direct criticisms aimed at me on this forum. I am still arguing on behalf of certain people behind the scenes (and I plan to escalate my argument) but I feel I am being treated with contempt by Lee Grandin, yourself, and a certain insignificant other. If you guys prefer to go through the normal channels and don't want the direct support of one or more of the PAB (and I include appointed PAB members because they care more than you know) then carry on being contemptible and you and Texidriver will get your wish.

...To be fair we do appreciate your efforts and are glad to see you (and others) are working 'behind the scenes' as it were, but please understand that we believe that Nominet has behaved poorly and the 'official line' has been at the very least inconsistant. So please don't take it 'personal like', it's just that the 'normal channels' are well... I'm sure you know the score.

So whilst the official line is that they can't, I think exceptions need to be treated as exceptions and exceptional resolutions reached

...Agreed.

 

[aqls]

Baby and Bathwater

JAC is still here and Nominet are gone.

Doh!

-aqls-

 

[aquanuke]

Can we have an Acorn Domains eviction please Admin.

Vote grandin out!

 

[Jac]

5 million registrants...As a PAB member good statement jac. Given so much talk by you is about the wider community...why are you sad...Nominet will probably go and give more advice to the whole community instead of a handful on Acorn members...are you sad because you never advised Nomient as part of your duties as a long standing PAB member ie. to direct more time to the wider community instead of Acorn?....I dont understand what are you sad about?

Nominet already offer advice to the whole community, they always have done. They do it through press releases, media contact, consultations and face to face stakeholder events. It is my understanding they have plans for much more fairly soon. So I didn't need to advise Nominet to "direct more time to the wider community", they were already doing it.

It is clearly unfair to offer advice to a select community...

Whilst it could be perceived as unfair if such advice is inordinate to the numbers in a select community, it cannot be unfair to offer advice to one or one thousand (as part of an ongoing commitment to respond to the needs of customers and stakeholders). In my opinion, what is unfair per se, is the penchant of some people to proactively look for fault in every syllable written by or about Nominet.

to continue to ignore this fact is not good for Nominet, so maybe you should consider how you are good for Nominet...I think in your crusade to back Nominet you have lost sight of the wider community...

I am not on a crusade to back Nominet. I just believe in 'fairplay for all' even if I disagree with them. That's not a crusade, that's just plain old fashioned consideration (and it's a two-way street).

you have spent alot of time on this forum backing Nominet...

Only when I felt it was warranted. I have my own issues with Nominet but I try to listen to all sides of an argument and go with what I believe to be a righteous standpoint; because I have always believed, you cannot be right from a wrong standpoint.

Regards
James Conaghan

 

[Whois-Search]

Can we have an Acorn Domains eviction please Admin.

Vote grandin out!

At least he creates threads and provides something to talk about.

This forum would be dead without us lot going on about crap!

 

[aquanuke]

At least he creates threads and provides something to talk about.

This forum would be dead without us lot going on about crap!

Bringing up the same rant repeatedly is not really creating new threads or topical conversation... besides he's making JAC post more.

 

[texidriver]

By entering into this contract you promise that:..

7.5 you are entitled to register the domain name;

we cannot investigate what rights you have to register or use the domain name.

http://www.nic.uk/registrants/legal/terms/


Who/ What is not entitled to register a domain name?

 

[texidriver]

Bringing up the same rant repeatedly is not really creating new threads...

Search: Threads Started By: Jac 2

Search: Threads Started By: grandin 28

 

[Admin]

There certainly are a lot more "bollocks" postings on this forum, of late. Nominet staff seem to have decreased their posting on here, which I feel cannot be good. In contrast those that post nonsense, particularly the double line space and the ellipsis brigades, appear to have increased the number of postings that they make. I'm getting bored reading posts where people don't quote, or quote badly and posts by people that cannot construct sentences properly. I'm also bored of threads where some have taken the time to post responses to others and then those others respond with other totally unrelated material, almost as if they are ignoring what the respondent (to their previous post) had bothered to compose.

There are too many goofs and junk-posters on this forum of late. All this could do is encourage those that want a junk free forum to disappear off elsewhere.

How can I help improve the site on this?

 

[Jac]

How can I help improve the site on this?

All I would personally ask is that people temper their passion with some realism and less scepticism.

I know there are certain people on this forum who'd rather I didn't post at all, but I reply repeatedly to the same questions because some of the questions are outrageous and someone has to give the other side of the story. No matter who or what a person disagrees with, unproven and oftimes malicious statements cannot be left unanswered. There's not a lot of point in Nominet personnel coming on to Acorn Domains just to be accused and condemned for everything they say or do; that's not etiquette or netiquette or civilised debate; it's just what I said before; bigotry.

People ask questions, Nominet answers, and Nominet gets pilloried for the answers. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Michael Penman (for instance) is a helpful person, he does his level best to be so. Apparently, because he works for Nominet, he is not worthy of the same consideration as the person who called him a liar. Call me old-fashioned, but I simply do not believe you deserve consideration if you are not prepared to give it.

I'd be happy to stop posting tit-for-tat responses if people got real and accepted that Nominet is just a bunch of people trying to run a registry. There are no ulterior motives, no conspiracies against any particular stakeholder group and no intention to deprive or defraud anyone of any of their 'rights'. There are complaints procedures and bodies you can complain to if Nominet doesn't give you a satisfactory response to a complaint. That in itself makes Nominet accountable, no matter what the sceptics and conspiracy theorists think. No one and no thing is above the law of the land. There are ways to redress a grievance if you genuinely feel you have one and I personally believe Nominet is prepared to be held accountable in whatever way a stakeholder decides is appropriate and if they are not following their own written policies and procedures they can be held accountable; but some people on this forum just won't accept that, no matter what.

Regards
James Conaghan

 

[tifosi]

I agree. I've never known Nominet staff to be less than helpful and professional, and having dealt with Michael he has a difficult task. I value Nominet appearing here to put their personal and professional reputations on the line - voluntarily!

If you have true grievances with Nominet then go through the required channels, and of you have issues with those channels, state them with a professional and responsible attitude. Nominet have channels to change things for the future & the better, use them.

There's been too many borderline offensive & irresponsible threads of late getting in the way of what was becoming an open and potentially fruitful dialogue between the domaining community and Nominet.

That has now been put at risk and kept internal or solely through Nominet's public consultancy / events.

S

 

[Whois-Search]

Doesn't that make them/you a bigot for being intolerant of their posts?

Not everyone has an A-Level in English or forum etiquette.

Looks like Lee did ask Nominet direct and they told him to come here.

It is only human nature to criticize "the ones in charge" - just look at other popular forums:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=99

They get paid (by us the stakeholders) to deal with it.

 

[tifosi]

Doesn't that make them/you a bigot for being intolerant of their posts?

Who me?

Looks like Lee did ask Nominet direct and they told him to come here.

At one point in the recent past Nominet staff came here frequently. A recommendation to come here isn't the same as being told to come here.

It is only human nature to criticize "the ones in charge" - just look at other popular forums:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=99

They get paid (by us the stakeholders) to deal with it.

I'd rather be the shepherd than the sheep.

S

 

[Whois-Search]

Who me?

No Jac, sorry you posted your post at the same time as me.

At one point in the recent past Nominet staff came here frequently. A recommendation to come here isn't the same as being told to come here.

Only Jay, Edphillips and Michael post here and they are most likely busy. Although I noticed Jay was signed in last night.

 

[tifosi]

Only Jay, Edphillips and Michael post here and they are most likely busy. Although I noticed Jay was signed in last night.

I thought there were a couple of others as well. I just hope they don't restrict themselves to lurking in the future, and take on board that the views of some individuals don't reflect all views.

S

 

[Jac]

Doesn't that make them/you a bigot for being intolerant of their posts?

Now we're into what came first, the chicken or the egg. So here's the news. I react badly to bigotry on any level because I grew up with it in Northern Ireland and I saw a lot of it in Apartheid Suid Afrika. All it does is begat itself. So please do not patronise me by suggesting you know anything about it.

Not everyone has an A-Level in English or forum etiquette.

You don't need an education to understand good manners.

It is only human nature to criticize "the ones in charge" - just look at other popular forums:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=99

They get paid (by us the stakeholders) to deal with it.

People never get paid enough to put up with biased standpoints which are more about personal vanity than truth. Everyone has the right to criticise but criticism needs to be objective otherwise it becomes counterproductive to the argument. I would personally defend anyone's right to criticise but I won't defend their right to be intolerant of other people's rights.

IMHO your brand of criticism has a tendency to be subjective. Nothing wrong with being subjective per se, except that it is the opposite of what constructive debate should be about: objectivity.

Regards
James Conaghan

 

[Whois-Search]

Now we're into what came first, the chicken or the egg. So here's the news. I react badly to bigotry on any level because I grew up with it in Northern Ireland and I saw a lot of it in Apartheid Suid Afrika. All it does is begat itself. So please do not patronise me by suggesting you know anything about it.

You don't need an education to understand good manners.

People never get paid enough to put up with biased standpoints which are more about personal vanity than truth. Everyone has the right to criticise but criticism needs to be objective otherwise it becomes counterproductive to the argument. I would personally defend anyone's right to criticise but I won't defend their right to be intolerant of other people's rights.

IMHO your brand of criticism has a tendency to be subjective. Nothing wrong with being subjective per se, except that it is the opposite of what constructive debate should be about: objectivity.

Regards
James Conaghan

The problem is it doesn't matter what you post any more........it will always be taken that way. Especially when talking to the old school Nom-Steer or PAB!

If I go and make a post now on Nom-Steer about the new "transfer procedure" of download forms and ID checks - what will happen?
- Half of them will have a go at me and half will agree with me.

That is life ......... but if no one says anything or leaves it to the powers at the top to decide what happens then?

If you really think I spend hours and hours talking about domain names and pay Nominet money to be a "subjective bigot" then thats up to you.

 

[Jac]

The problem is it doesn't matter what you post any more........it will always be taken that way. Especially when talking to the old school Nom-Steer or PAB!

If it wasn't for the 'old school nom-steer' (as in Nominet steering committee) there wouldn't be a Nominet per se. Nominet was founded on ISP support back in 1996 after a much flawed 'naming committee' scheme. As for old-school PAB, there is no such thing. The elected element of the PAB changes every 12 months with the election of 4 new members. If one or other of those 4 is an existing member who gets re-elected, that's democracy at work. Appointed PAB members change periodically too when people move out or up; so where's the old school?

If I go and make a post now on Nom-Steer about the new "transfer procedure" of download forms and ID checks - what will happen?
- Half of them will have a go at me and half will agree with me.

That's democracy at work too. Sometimes you get the consensus, sometimes you don't; but don't let the prospect of failure deter you from a cause you believe to be just.

That is life ......... but if no one says anything or leaves it to the powers at the top to decide what happens then?

I never said you should leave it to the powers that be; God forbid; I suggested you could be a tad more objective in your comments.

Regards
James Conaghan