Nominet prefer nGTLD to .UK

[monaghan]

Let's face it, Nominet has been taking our registration fees and membership fees, running a registry paying (questionable?) bonus payments to staff and then handing over what's left to whoever shouts loud enough however barmey the project. Personally I'd rather the income was reduced so there's no profit or the cash was used to run / improve the registry services or put in the bank for a rainy day or even paid to the treasury as corporation tax in preference to making a "charitable donation" for each domain I register. (not against charity and I personally support many charities, but I want to choose which ones)

But realistically speaking us smaller members actually have no voice within the organisation.

 

[ian]

That's David in the doorway to Nominet right?

 

[Stephen]

That says it all!

... Domain Names were likely the last point of relevance for this because Nominet isn't just a domain name registry any more and hasn't been for several years...

That says it all!

The point is for Nominet the domain chosen should be the first thing on the agenda.

Which domain is the first thing I consider on a new project.

Nominet was formed as a Domain registry for domains ending in .uk and that is what it should be.

"Domains being the last point of relevance.." I wonder if you would have got elected to Nominet, if that was your slogan?

Merry Christmas
Stephen

 

[ian]

thanks for ruining a sensible thread.

Nothing sensible about a bias opinion unfortunately, but carry on

 

[ian]

Bias over?

You've come to the defence of Nominet and their associated company over the decision they've made to use an obscure domain extension over UK. It seems only you find this acceptable. You've also jumped on absolutely every other thread involving Nominet to defend their position, such as claiming user error on the new control panel etc. I'm confused, either you are here offering a personal opinion (this thread), or official one (that thread), but as a board member, you can't be both imo. Your views since being elected are certainly more a case of toeing the party line. Do Nominet know you represent them in an official capacity on here? Do they need to approve your comments? Do they even know!?!?

 

[RobM]

Sorry for a silly question but how do these things benefit uk registrants? I've only ever been to Oxford once.

 

[ian]

May I remind you that Nominet are also the registry for two gTLDs that end users can register within. Why do YOU therefore bias .uk?

Well, I hardly expect them to encourage the use of a Welsh domain for an Oxford based company

They know I post. I have to wear multiple hats. It's not an easy position to be in but in this thread I'm simply saying what I see and trying to be as factual as possible. Sometimes I give my opinions.

I'm glad they are aware; saves me having to clarify this with them; I'll take you on your word. Multiple hats is a tricky one, I appreciate this as surprisingly I have to do the same promoting two conflicting platforms, but ultimately you are a paid member of Nominet, which unfortunately means imo your opinions are now skewed in their favour; especially if the content you publish here and your own forum is being monitored.

 

[Stephen]

I disagree

Please don't quote what I write out of context.

1. Last point of relevance in respect of a joint venture where the independent Flood Network Ltd appear to be the lead partner and the project isn't anything to do with actual domain names operated by Nominet as a registry.

2. Whatever Noninet may have been originally founded as in the mid 90s has evolved as all informed Nominet members are aware. I'm aware of it because I participated in the EGM's. I forget how much I supported the changes then but the changes occurred and now the company does other things. Your "should be" is therefore legally incorrect I believe.

David

I disagree I have taken it out of context but apologies if it may appear that way to you.

If the project results are communicated to the audience via a website and then the website name should be considered and Nominet in my opinion should fight very hard for a domain ending in .uk for that website, you seem to think differently. It does not matter, who is the lead partner.
If you come back and say Nominet did fight hard and lost because ... then you will have my unreserved apology.

On legally "should be", that is correct.
I suggest you study more company law and get an understanding from the Nominet legal team on what the "Memorandum of Association" are for and what importance is placed on the order of the clauses.
It appears to me the commercial changes on policy have come from the Nominet executive not the members wishes or instigation.
Again please provide members resolutions instigating the continual commercialisation of Nominet and you will have my unreserved apology and thanks for pointing it out to me.

Nominet were granted the rights to manage domains ending .uk on the basis that was their purpose, the more Nominet deviates from that course, the more danger of Nominet loosing those rights entirely.

I presume you mean AGM's not EGM, that is what is coming next at this rate of progress on modifying Nominet pricing!

Stephen

 

[monaghan]

Don't forget to mention anything that those Registrars and Registrants received in return or people reading might be stupid enough to think all those received nothing. I do sometimes wonder if some forget to remember the "Oh Sh*t, I made loads of money out of buying and selling domain name registrations while all that was allegidly going on!" aspect.

People will have made money regardless, my point is that unless there's something major they are hiding, then the member subscriptions and domain sales / renewals have been funding everything so far (including the bonus system) to the point where they've had a large pot of cash left over to feed into the trust. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall voting to hand over the spare cash to anyone and now they are saying they need more cash from us and are putting up the prices. When did they ask us members if we'd rather pay more to keep it going to to cut the handouts to the trust?

Do you somehow blame the Nominet Trust trustees in some way?

I don't blame the trustees for anything, after all, they are doing what they think is best and spending other people's cash, once it has arrived with them it has already been through Nominet and there's nothing us members can do about it.

I'm questioning whether it is in the best interest of the Nominet members to be putting all our spare change into that charity pot instead of putting it back into the company. I'm sure you did say (not that long ago) that we need to be building up reserves, surely there's nothing suddenly appeared on the horizon that requires such a sudden hike in prices to raise cash, if there was we'd all be talking about that instead of asking where the money is going.