Wanted: Domain Appraisal kylie(dot)co(dot)uk

[Skinner]

All down to experience isnt it really, I mean I had that shot fired at me, so now I'd buy the name as a christian name but discount the minogue money, where as someone else like the seller may have only had good experiences, so he'll see benefit in the minogue link and will pay for that.

I'm sure there are many buyers in both parties, hopefully you'll find someone in the latter, if not my money based on the name alone is here

 

[nparkin0]

Hopefully in the latter

However I will keep your offer in consideration.

Hopefully my thread in the premium section will be approved soon so I can start taking offers...so keep a look out if you are interested or shoot me a PM

 

[nparkin0]

Domain now in the premium section. All offers welcome!
Thanks for everyones comments.

 

[accelerator]

Have you made Kylie's Management aware that the domain is for sale? Domain names are often low on their priority list but the domain would probably be worth most to them, especially considering they have the trademarks on the Kylie name (although I can't check this at the moment).

Rgds

 

[nparkin0]

The owner has beenin touch with some lower down people in Kylie's 'team' of people who said to contact her actual manager. I have the number for her actual manager and a UK manager and will be contacting them in the coming days. But I do suspect that they would be the best people to contact first.

 

[retired_member34]

the current owner used to have affiliate links on the site, he took them down for some reason

I wonder why?

 

[nparkin0]

I wonder why?

OK, to clear a few things up and hopefully put a few minds at rest I contacted the owner asking a few questions and the answers are as follows -

The site that was up on the domain from 1997-2006 was the most popular Kylie fansite in the world. This was called 'Limbo - Kylie Minogue online'. EMI and Kylie's management once wanted to make the current owner of kylie.co.uk the official fansite owner for Kylie but this never actually went through. The reason the main site was taken down in 2006 was because the owner was over whelmed because of the huge amount of traffic and upkeeping the fansite needed. He also ran, and still runs, a sister fan site which is more manageable. He also got another job and so could not devote his time to the upkeep of the fan site.

As far as affiliate links are concerned they were taken down when the original 'Limbo' site was taken down. The owner did not like forums packed with advertising and did not put them up on his sister fansite because it receives much smaller traffic.

The owner is willing to include in the sale, if the right offer is receieved, a back up of the Limbo site from 2006 when he took it down. (This was of course the biggest site in the world)

It is for the above reasons why I think there are no TM issues, her team have no sign of wanting to 'take' the domain. They were after all willing to make the current owner the official fansite for Kylie.

Hope this has answered a few questions and hopfully put a few minds at rest...even though I doubt it has convinced everyone. I will also be including some of this info in the sale thread.

 

[rob]

It is for the above reasons why I think there are no TM issues, her team have no sign of wanting to 'take' the domain. They were after all willing to make the current owner the official fansite for Kylie.

Hope this has answered a few questions and hopfully put a few minds at rest...even though I doubt it has convinced everyone. I will also be including some of this info in the sale thread.

Not convinced me unless you get something in writing as to me this is a forename, and has that value.

Anything in excess of that and profits based off flogging Minogue stuff could be seen as abusive etc.

 

[nparkin0]

Well if it helps the owner has told me he is willing to sign a contract with a buyer to the effect of he has never had any bother with either Kylie's management team or EMI records over the past 10 years. Also that they are aware of the website and have never once hinted at bringing any sort of law suit.

What other sort of proof etc do you think would be needed?

 

[rob]

Well if it helps the owner has told me he is willing to sign a contract with a buyer to the effect of he has never had any bother with either Kylie's management team or EMI records over the past 10 years. Also that they are aware of the website and have never once hinted at bringing any sort of law suit.

What other sort of proof etc do you think would be needed?

Thats the issue, the current owner might be 'fine' in the eyes of EMI / Minogue etc however there are no guarantees that would continue.

If the site is continued as a fan one then the sensible logic would suggest there would be no issue as the status quo is maintained, but if someone bought to recoup the 5figs spent on it and plastered an aff site on there then the opinion might change.

I cannot imagine Kylie's management allowing anything negative on there (reviews/forum posts etc), free promo yes fair enough, but anything that does not fit could mean issues / losing the name via DRS.

In my eyes its not a case of proving the past, more securing the future

 

[nparkin0]

well yes, I would think a fan site is the best way to go. This is helped by the owner willing to supply a back up copy of the old world famous site.

 

[rob]

well yes, I would think a fan site is the best way to go. This is helped by the owner willing to supply a back up copy of the old world famous site.

The old site but not the new one?

Also - what happens to legacy users of LiMBO Kylie MailBox ?

 

[nparkin0]

The old site but not the new one?

Also - what happens to legacy users of LiMBO Kylie MailBox ?

Just emailed the owner asking the questions you posed above. Will get to you as soon as I know.

And yes the old 2006 forum. That was the one that was the most popular one in the world. I can only assume that the one he has now is a new one. But do not quote me on that, I have asked him and when he gets back to me I will be able to confirm.

 

[jasman]

I have to say I find it hard to believe that someone "with a job" would forgoe £xxxx per month in revenue because they don't like forums with adverts.

Also just a thought... the official KM management may have been happy to let the website remain in its non-commercial form as effectively it's a load of free advertising for them, and the site owner isn't profiting from it. But if they see someone come along and start making a load of money out of it, they might see this as trading off their name. This makes it a rather risky proposition in my opinion.

I'm not trying to knock your proposition, but the risk is real wouldn't you say?

 

[nparkin0]

I am led to believe that getting a new job was not the only reason why he took it down. Other reasons include the fact he could not cope with such a huge site and felt he couldnt keep up with it. The fact that he doesnt like fansites which are packed full of advertising it meerly his opinion of the asthetics of the site its self.

I am in negotiation with KM's management at the moment and hopefully will be able to confirm whether they have any problems with someone else buying it and using it for whatever reason or if they want to purchase it themselves. As far as I am aware the current owner knows her management quite well and is quite confident they will not have any problems.

I guess until then all the sceptics will have to take the domain as it is until I can provide 'solid evidence' from KM's management that they will not pursue the domain etc.

 

[retired_member34]

I guess until then all the sceptics will have to take the domain as it is until I can provide 'solid evidence' from KM's management that they will not pursue the domain etc.

There is unfortunately little you can provide, short of a contract from KM which they will obviously not provide. What they say today and what they decide to do tomorrow are not related really.

There is value in the Minogue connection obviously, but it needs to be discounted highly as it is high risk.

The risk is that not only could KM very simply take the domain through a DRS, but they could also go to court to take back any earnings made on the domain plus costs. This assumes that the new owner earns revenue however small from the site of course - if they do not then they should be OK.

This means to me it is worth less than a normal name, as I would not want to take the risk. However to someone willing to take this risk there is potentially a lot of money to be made from it.

Just my tuppence worth, IMHO and all that.

One last thing, I think you should try and clear the smoke and mirrors from the traffic and rankings you have provided. I have trouble believing that a single holding page since 2006 still achieves the rank and traffic you quote. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that traffic is actually mostly due to the sayhey forum at SayHey - The Kylie Minogue Forum - Powered by vBulletin which looks very busy.

I'm not in the market for this domain so will butt out now, as you have started a sales thread.

 

[nparkin0]

I am currently investigating the traffic issue that has been raised, personally I had not thought of that. It does seem that the forum is still linked to the main domain here. I beleived that it was totally shifted to another domain.

Oh and to answer a question I think Rob asked about the mail box, the mailbox users will be included with the sale. So the people are currently signed up will remain as normal. (Numbers amount to about 15,000 people)

I will update when I know more.

I would also just like to say that I understand everyones concerns but would appriciate all further questions via PM.

Otherwise all offers are welcome in the sales thread.

 

[Skinner]

nparkin0, no offense intended here bud, but I think you may have bitten off a mouthful of handgrenades here.

The current '15,000' attached people means you are restricted on what you can do without terminating them, this does however add a monetisation option of converting their mail to your own adverted support webmail, 15,000 users would have a nice monthly yield from something like kontera.

However its kinda like having one hand tied behind your back.

 

[grantw]

No offense but I think you really need to go away, work out with the owner the exact details of what you're selling and then come back and start again. At the moment it looks like you don't really know what's for sale and what isn't.

If someone had bought this a few days ago and the new owner moved the domain to another server then 15000 people would have been without their email accounts. Also the current site seems to offer free and paid for email accounts, you don't mention what number of the 15k (if any) are being paid for?

Grant

 

[Skinner]

Grant, as far as I'm aware the domain owner doesnt make anything from the email accounts, I havent looked at everyone.net for a while but I recall its a free service, so not really worth a check. I don't remember 2 payment options tho, when I looked at everyone I'm sure it was just free or $10 to remove the ads.

Maybe with their higher prices, you do get a slice of the pie ?