Is registering .uk on non-premiums a waste of money?

[AssetDomains]

The suggestion last year was to briefly reserve the .uk 2LD for a short period of time in the event that the 3LD with the right was deleted by the registry. The 2LD might become available to register FCFS by anyone 48 hours after the 3LD with the right had been deleted. During the first 48 hours the new registrant of the 3LD that formally had the right of registration until June 2019 would have a brief 48 hour window to register the 2LD.

It would be great if you think they would go for it. This is only really going to help drop catchers though why would they want to do that. What's the general feeling towards domainers within nominet? I guess a lot of there revenue is generated by us but all the recent changes seem to hamper the industry whether this was intentional or not I'm not sure.

 

[Retired_Member38]

It would be great if you think they would go for it. This is only really going to help drop catchers though why would they want to do that. What's the general feeling towards domainers within nominet? I guess a lot of there revenue is generated by us but all the recent changes seem to hamper the industry whether this was intentional or not I'm not sure.

It would be silly for Nominet to do anything to help domainers. I don't expect anyone to agree publicly but if you look at this objectively, you're adding NOTHING to the .co.uk internet business scene are you. I can't actually think of a single other business or service that adds absolutely nothing of value, outside of a profit margin for themselves.

I don't think anyone could legitimately complain if Nominet went the other way and deliberately made life difficult for drop catchers and/or domainers.

 

[BeachLife]

I don't think anyone could legitimately complain if Nominet went the other way and deliberately made life difficult for drop catchers and/or domainers.

That would be the feeling of the general populace, correct or not. If in the next five years, at the end of the reservation period, domainers do not register the .uk on their unsold .co.uk domains (by definition the bulk of their holdings), and the .co.uk and .uk pair fall in to different drop catchers' hands, then the process will have worked as far as most people are concerned. Choice of domains will massively increase, and prices of domains on the resale market will decrease.

 

[ian]

I don't think anyone could legitimately complain if Nominet went the other way and deliberately made life difficult for drop catchers and/or domainers.

But they already do this by dropping domains over a 24 hour period and not 2 hours like .com's. It is just that drop catchers are a lot smarter than those working at Nominet towers

 

[AssetDomains]

you're adding NOTHING to the .co.uk internet business scene are you. I can't actually think of a single other business or service that adds absolutely nothing of value, outside of a profit margin for themselves.

Come on monkey pot calling the kettle black here. Exactly the same thing could be said about your business if you weren't spamming the serps with your affiliate sites then the poor people who have to take out the payday loans a extortionate rates could end up direct at Wonga or some other provider without that company having to price in your affiliate commissions into the mix maybe then they could lower there extortionate rates slightly.

By spamming your sites above the actual service providers you're adding NOTHING to that market are you, outside of making a profit margin for yourself.

There absolutely nothing wrong with that just like there is nothing wrong with someone running a domain selling business.

So please Monkey get of that high horse of yours will you the domainer bashing is getting old now.

 

[Retired_Member38]

Come on monkey pot calling the kettle black here. Exactly the same thing could be said about your business if you weren't spamming the serps with your affiliate sites then the poor people who have to take out the payday loans a extortionate rates could end up direct at Wonga or some other provider without that company having to price in your affiliate commissions into the mix maybe then they could lower there extortionate rates slightly.

By spamming your sites above the actual service providers you're adding NOTHING to that market are you, outside of making a profit margin for yourself.

There absolutely nothing wrong with that just like there is nothing wrong with someone running a domain selling business.

So please Monkey get of that high horse of yours will you the domainer bashing is getting old now.

I'm not asking other people to do things to accommodate me though, am I?

Plus its possible for payday affiliates to add legitimate value. Ie look at the comparison section on Money.co.uk for example. That has genuine value to end users.

Whats a domain portfolio adding ? All they're doing is sucking value out of things with nothing added. And often preventing businesses developing in the first place. I'm not saying you guys shouldn't do it, you should look after number 1 first. But lets call a spade a spade.

 

[AssetDomains]

I'm not asking other people to do things to accommodate me though, am I?

Plus its possible for payday affiliates to add legitimate value. Ie look at the comparison section on Money.co.uk for example. That has genuine value to end users.

Whats a domain portfolio adding ? All they're doing is sucking value out of things with nothing added. And often preventing businesses developing in the first place. I'm not saying you guys shouldn't do it, you should look after number 1 first. But lets call a spade a spade.

Whilst were calling a spade a spade then be honest you added a comparison section as you believed it would help game google for a bit longer nothing to do with adding value to your visitors.
Building a site for the sole purpose of gaming the serps knocking the actual service providers from the top positions and gaining affiliate commissions is no better or worse than holding a domain portfolio. Having to pay a cut of there markup to you, or pay some over priced SEO agency a ton of cash to compete with you could stop a business developing and expanding employing more people etc don't you think.

 

[Retired_Member38]

Whilst were calling a spade a spade then be honest you added a comparison section as you believed it would help game google for a bit longer nothing to do with adding value to your visitors.

I didn't add one at all. I'm completely comfortable with my no value add approach.

Building a site for the sole purpose of gaming the serps knocking the actual service providers from the top positions and gaining affiliate commissions is no better or worse than holding a domain portfolio. Having to pay a cut of there markup to you, or pay some over priced SEO agency a ton of cash to compete with you could stop a business developing and expanding employing more people etc don't you think.

Perhaps, but you could argue that knocking end users out of the top 10 with affiliate sites like Money.co.uk is a good thing for consumers. As it then forces the listed companies to compete on price. Rather than Wonga being first and just charging however much they want and deliberately being vague about how much that actually is, or how competitive it is.

 

[ian]

Perhaps, but you could argue that knocking end users out of the top 10 with affiliate sites like Money.co.uk is a good thing for consumers. As it then forces the listed companies to compete on price. Rather than Wonga being first and just charging however much they want and deliberately being vague about how much that actually is, or how competitive it is.

Is money.co.uk your site, or just an example?

 

[Retired_Member38]

Its not mine, I have no connection to it. I'm just using it as a decent quality example.

 

[ian]

Its not mine, I have no connection to it. I'm just using it as a decent quality example.

Why not use yours as an example then (tongue in cheek), I'd love to know which is your website. Whilst I'm no fan of the pay-day loan format, and the ethics behind it, much respect if you have been able to use genuine techniques to stay ahead of the key players in respect of organic listings. As far as domains go, well my views aren't that dissimilar, I've been vocal about not liking how domains are stored and under utilised, preventing potential businesses blossoming etc, but I think it has its place...just not with this damn .uk split

 

[AssetDomains]

Building affiliate sites like moneysupermarket or uswitch might be good for consumers.

That doesn't seem to be your approach

I didn't add one at all. I'm completely comfortable with my no value add approach.
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Aren't you more of a churn them and burn them type of guy all I'm saying if this is the case get of your high horse because your adding nothing and are in it for the money just like the next guy.

 

[Retired_Member38]

On phone so short reply,

Ian I can't use my own as an example as they suck as far as my point of genuine value add goes.

Asset, of course in in it for the money. I don't add Ny direct value to consumers, and I don't care. I'm not demanding someone else twist their biz model to accommodate my cash grab at te expense of Legit end users tho

 

[AssetDomains]

On phone so short reply,

Ian I can't use my own as an example as they suck as far as my point of genuine value add goes.

Asset, of course in in it for the money. I don't add Ny direct value to consumers, and I don't care. I'm not demanding someone else twist their biz model to accommodate my cash grab at te expense of Legit end users tho

Ok were going round in circles here so I'll say this then I need to get on.

Having to x amount per month of there revenue to spamy affiliate in commission or to joes blogs seo company to compete with spamy affiliate in the serps is twisting there business model.

The only difference with you its an ongoing cost. at least with domainers they can look at the price decided whether the one of cost is worth it to there business then there done.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Ok were going round in circles here so I'll say this then I need to get on.

Having to x amount per month of there revenue to spamy affiliate in commission or to joes blogs seo company to compete with spamy affiliate in the serps is twisting there business model.

The only difference with you its an ongoing cost. at least with domainers they can look at the price decided whether the one of cost is worth it to there business then there done.

If there were no affiliate / SEO overheads then I'm sure the likes of Wonga will be simply pocketing extra profits. They have big enough profit margins already, more than enough to pass back onto the customer. It's not a public service, they're a business and if there is money to be made/saved, it'll be lining the directors pockets, not their customers.