Health Check

[Murray]

Yeah couple of years ago I was advised to take magnesium tablets but they gave me terrible guts, but certainly helped with energy. As with alot of this stuff i think you've got to find the right balance of everything.

One thing thats helped me alot, especially with putting on weight and controlling yeast levels is taking pro-biotics : https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071Y1DHLY/?tag=acorn06-21

Yeah I've heard the tablets are harsh so I didn't want to even bother trying those lol I've just been trying to eat more magnesium rich foods, porridge for breakfast every day, bananas, pumpkin seeds

I've also got this spray https://betteryou.com/magnesium-oil-original-spray

It leaves your skin feeling tacky and horrible though so I usually use it 10 minutes before a shower. Gives you an interesting prickling sensation for a couple minutes after applying, apparently that's a sign you have low magnesium but I'm not sure if that's factual science.

I will try giving probiotics a shot, thanks

 

[Murray]

That's interesting the tabs im taking are 1000iu so realistically I could take a few a day, especially if like you say alot of the benefit is lost during digestion.

If you have a deficiency (maybe you should ask doctor for a blood test) then a lot of what you read online from medical studies and official bodies recommended 50,000 IU per week for 6-12 weeks to get back to good levels

I was taking 6k a day so 42,000 a week

It's hard to have any negative effects from vitamin D unless you're taking 10,000+ a day for months

I was actually well aware before the blood test I probably wasn't getting enough sun, over the summer last year id been trying to spend at at least 30mins sunbathing on the days there was sun

I think part of the problem is you store vitamin D in your fat, and I was so skinny even if I got enough sun in the summer I didn't have the fat to store if, if you're very slim too like you say it could also well be an issue for you

 

[Skinner]

I had a heap of tests done at Derby University mostly related to my strongman training, but I recommend a Dexi Scan, they call them nuclear scales, they use x-ray tech to scan every gram of your body, they tell you precisely down to the gram how much fat, muscle, bone you have, even how heavy your organs are. They can isolate muscle wastage, so if one leg is weaker they can weigh the muscle in the leg and see if it needs attention.

If you upgrade they tailor an exercise program to correct imbalances and posture etc. Little things like using 1kg extra weight on the weak side makes the difference.

The basic you get a 2 scan deal for like £80, and you can do them a month apart or 6 months apart, to see the difference or weight loss, muscle gain, visceral fat loss etc.

I also use Medichecks for bloods too, not seen thriva

 

[dee]

I had a heap of tests done at Derby University mostly related to my strongman training, but I recommend a Dexi Scan, they call them nuclear scales, they use x-ray tech to scan every gram of your body, they tell you precisely down to the gram how much fat, muscle, bone you have, even how heavy your organs are. They can isolate muscle wastage, so if one leg is weaker they can weigh the muscle in the leg and see if it needs attention.

If you upgrade they tailor an exercise program to correct imbalances and posture etc. Little things like using 1kg extra weight on the weak side makes the difference.

The basic you get a 2 scan deal for like £80, and you can do them a month apart or 6 months apart, to see the difference or weight loss, muscle gain, visceral fat loss etc.

I also use Medichecks for bloods too, not seen thriva

Sounds interesting , and doesn't seem that expensive @ 89 quid. Trouble is... do you want to be getting x rayed every couple months ? That in itself can be dodge.

Going back to Vitamin D. There's also a very strong correlation between Vit D and Multiple Sclerosis. If there is MS in the family history.... take Vit D.

 

[Murray]

Going back to Vitamin D. There's also a very strong correlation between Vit D and Multiple Sclerosis. If there is MS in the family history.... take Vit D.

Yeah, there's a strong link between MS and distance from the equator

 

[dee]

Great thread this, wish I'd seen it years ago.

Its all fascinating this stuff. If anyone is interested in Longevity stuff, check out telomerase and senescence. I reckon it won't be long before the ageing thing is pretty much cracked ( probably just after I pop my clogs going on previous luck ) Essentially telomeres are like aglets on the dna strand that protect the chromosomes ( the bits on the end that hold shoelaces together) Every time a cell divides they get shorter and more prone to error. Eventually, they fall off. If you can elongate them and clear out senescent cells, they think it's possible to elongate life by quite a stretch. Think they are already at 2x life in mice (from memory...)

 

[ian]

My partner suffers from 'relapse and remitting' MS so this kind of test would bring back all sorts of random results given the meds she takes; I'll give it a go though. There is a massive correlation between MS and where in the world you live; she certainly suffers more in winter than summer, but ultimately MS can be a ticking time bomb that has no rhythm nor reason. Will never say a bad word about the NHS, they can be slow, they can seem incapable, but she depends on it, which unfortunately makes the "just move somewhere warm" suggestions challenging.

 

[bonusmedia]

Best thread in ages. Thanks @dee, looks worth a go. And thanks everyone for sharing, I've been miserable all winter

 

[ian]

Surprisingly, my Vit D came back at 40 which given how little of the outside world I see, was a shock. I'm going to start supplementing a little though, try and improve it.

All the rest in the middle of the green, with the exception of those related to Triglyceride/HDL, which puts me borderline Diabetic and the advice is "you may wish to consult your GP". Have to be honest, I have more sugar in my diet than I should, and my exercise is lacking, so if I tackle those, I'd hope this might reduce and will take another test in 6 months time. I was also impatient to take the test, which I did an hour or so after a high in sugar breakfast when they recommend fasting for 8 hours oops.

I credit my positive (and quite unexpected) results to drinking 2.2 litres of water, having a diverse diet (without thinking about it too hard), never drinking, and just being fortunate!

 

[Murray]

Surprisingly, my Vit D came back at 40 which given how little of the outside world I see, was a shock. I'm going to start supplementing a little though, try and improve it.!

What's the measurement of 40 in? is it ng/l or nmol/l?

40 would be fairly good in ng/l considering we're just about at the end of winter, but pretty deficient in nmol/l

 

[Adam H]

What's the measurement of 40 in? is it ng/l or nmol/l?

40 would be fairly good in ng/l considering we're just about at the end of winter, but pretty deficient in nmol/l


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Mine for Vit D was 31.3 nmol/L , so safe to say I needed to do something

 

[ian]

What's the measurement of 40 in? is it ng/l or nmol/l?

40 would be fairly good in ng/l considering we're just about at the end of winter, but pretty deficient in nmol/l


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40.9 nmol/l so not great but in amber on their scale. Doesn't confirm what an acceptable dosage would be though.

 

[Murray]

Mine for Vit D was 31.3 nmol/L , so safe to say I needed to do something

That's veryyy low

That might be needing vitamin D injections territory of low, consult your Dr

I would get that spray I suggested and be doing 3 sprays under my tongue for 9000 a day (I know I've said a couple times but under 10,000 is considered safe) until I could see a Dr and see what they say

 

[Murray]

40.9 nmol/l so not great but in amber on their scale. Doesn't confirm what an acceptable dosage would be though.

Yours is about the same as mine, I would get on that spray, 2 puffs for 6000 a day, give it a month and see if you notice a difference

And more magnesium foods along with it

If no improvement come back and make another appointment with me in a month

 

[Adam H]

That's veryyy low

That might be needing vitamin D injections territory of low, consult your Dr

I would get that spray I suggested and be doing 3 sprays under my tongue for 9000 a day (I know I've said a couple times but under 10,000 is considered safe) until I could see a Dr and see what they say

Yeah I've been doing just that since the day after you mentioned it ( came next day via Amazon prime ). Thriva put me in the amber range ( only just ) so didnt think much of it other than obviously being quite low. I guess i should at least ask the doc Will phone Monday.

 

[dee]

Something else I've via @Murray post. Didn't realise there was an upper limit for vits. I figured your body would just expel any excess

 

[Murray]

Yeah I've been doing just that since the day after you mentioned it ( came next day via Amazon prime ). Thriva put me in the amber range ( only just ) so didnt think much of it other than obviously being quite low. I guess i should at least ask the doc Will phone Monday.

I'm surprised they only shows as amber, everything you read online about vitamin D would say that's far too low

NHS vitamin D recommended levels are lower than the Vitamin D council

https://www.gwh.nhs.uk/media/223653/4-2-vitamin-d-guidance-feb-2016-ccg-v1-id-589240-.pdf

Vitamin D council

https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/for...n-blood-levels-and-sun-exposure/#.XI4hqyj7RnI

The Vitamin D Council recommends maintaining serum levels of 50 ng/ml (equivalent to 125 nmol/L*), with the following reference ranges:

• Deficient: 0-40 ng/ml (0-100 nmol/l)
• Sufficient: 40-80 ng/ml (100-200 nmol/l)
• High Normal: 80-100 ng/ml (200-250 nmol/l)
• Undesirable: > 100 ng/ml (> 250 nmol/l)
• Toxic: > 150 ng/ml (> 375 nmol/l)

US Government

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/

 

[Adam H]

lol, exactly why I don't speak to doctors and don't bother them unless im going to die. Rang up ( just for advice ) didnt really want to hear what I had to say, didnt care bloods had been done via thriva and wasnt interested in the results, said 30mnol isnt bad. Kept trying to get off the line eventually telling me he'll get his secretary to book me an appointment in the next 2 weeks LOL. He then said if am VIt D deficient they will give me a 6 week course and then I can continue over the counter sprays after that.

On the up side, taking the spray ( 3 sprays a day ) since Wednesday I already feel better than I have done in years. Now my dilemma would be do i stop taking it until I've got an appointment so they could see the normal low results and not the inflated ones due to the spray, as the last time I had bloods done about 6 years ago a doc said my VIT D was very low back then, but dismissed it as i should be fine, even though I told him I had just got back from 2 weeks in Tunisia so really shouldnt be very low after 2 weeks in the sun lol, So i feel like for them to notice a problem It needs to be practically killing me.

 

[Murray]

@Adam H I guess there's not a lot of point in going if they say 30 isn't that bad, but maybe he thought you were talking about ng/ml instead of nmol/l

The chances are they would probably just prescribe you 4000iu tablet for a month

Maybe just continue taking 9000 for 2 weeks-month, take 6000 for a month after that, then 3000 until there's any sun

It's surprising how little sun you actually need in summer to create a good amount of vitamin D, as long as you have enough skin exposed and go out at the right time of day

Another study found that 30 minutes of midday summer sun exposure in Oslo, Norway was equivalent to consuming 10,000–20,000 IU of vitamin D

That's very positive to hear you feel better already, what have you noticed improvements with?

 

[Adam H]

I made sure he understood it was nmol/L unfortunately. But yes I was thinking the same and self medicating, but also doing a few more thriva tests over the next 6 months to see what difference im making. ( and to make sure im not over doing it ).

I've already seen improved concentration, temper, less fatigued, spent the whole day in the garden yesterday cutting the grass, oiling the Decking , washing the car and came in feeling "normal" i guess instead of feeling like I just needed to sit around for the rest of the day.

I'm actually quite exited to try some weights again in the coming weeks to see if its made any difference, as doing anything like that, even pull ups, pushups etc feels like my muscles are burning after 10 reps where I used to be in a physically fit Job before the interweb stuff so i'm used to being fit ( or 10 - 15 years ago I was ).

I've suffered from dry skin on my face for years, that's amazingly gone and my skin on my face doesnt feel irritated and tight it. My eyes feel refreshed ( actually went to the opticians the week before doing thriva because my eyes felt so heavy and felt like my sight was getting worse dramatically quickly, i put it down to eye strain being at a computer all day, but they said my eyes were fine but could see there was an irritation ( like an allergy )...............that has cleared up with in 2 days, my eyes feel normal again. I've also had a twitchy eye lid for months, I keep putting it down to being allergic to something ( like washing powder or something, which i also though was the issue with my eyes ) but again its completely stopped, previously it was doing it pretty much all day every day.

The problem is I've had alot of these complaints most of my life, especially feeling fatigued so I've "normalised" feeling like a bag of shite, cracked on and pushed through as that's my mentally, not much can hold me back and I'm very driven, but when I find something that actually makes me feel better i kind of know within days, pro-biotics were my last eureka moment where they made a noticeable difference.

My last load of bloods 6 years ago when i lost a load of weight for no apparent reason and everything came back ok, the doctor tried telling me they thought I might have had ME (Chronic fatigue syndrome) but couldnt prove it and didnt seem like they were that bothered so, I took it upon myself to self diagnose, hence when I found out about my issues with yeast mentioned earlier in the thread, that's when the pro-biotics came into play.