Domain Summit Have applied for the Trademark

[cloud]

Hi, the answer was in the original thread.

You can't go directly global > you need to get the local UK mark first (if from the UK) >> after that you would apply for the global mark using the existing UK one.

does this help?

Thanks, I didn't know that!

 

[Helmuts]

Thanks, I didn't know that!

me neither .. a couple weeks ago

 

[Helmuts]

Quick update. Today, the UK's IPO (Intellectual Property Office) has confirmed that the application appears to meet all the requirements, and there are no clashes with other trademarks.

And we are proceeding to the next step: the application will be published in their online Trade Marks Journal for opposition purposes. When published, there will be a 2 month opposition period in which anybody can oppose its registration.

Great Sunday all!! H

p.s. Interesting to see that the IPO works also on Sunday

 

[cloud]

I watched this and found it useful

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I had to watch most of it on x2 speed though

 

[Helmuts]

Great day! Just received an approval of our trademark

Ref: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-tmj/tm-journals/2023-047/UK00003977431.html

Few screenshots:

 

[DesD]

Excellent news. Received mine in late December. . Very satisfying.

 

[Helmuts]

Excellent news. Received mine in late December. . Very satisfying.

Congratulations to you too!! Cheers!! .. tempted to go to local Tescos and get some wine

 

[DesD]

Congratulations to you too!! Cheers!! .. tempted to go to local Tescos and get some wine

Do it! It was so satisfying to add the TM!

 

[Helmuts]

Do it! It was so satisfying to add the TM!

You've got a nice business set up there Congratulations!! What are you using for accepting payments? .. it seems you have pretty low margins and commissions on those low £1 payments must be high.

 

[DesD]

You've got a nice business set up there Congratulations!! What are you using for accepting payments? .. it seems you have pretty low margins and commissions on those low £1 payments must be high.

Thanks, we are selling out every week with a nice 40% margin.

We sold out a World Poker Tour event last week 3 days early. A £2k package for £5! We’re genuinely offering players ‘a new way to win’ big money poker experiences, without having to spend hours grinding online satellites or beat the pros, who have a clear edge.

I think the first two minutes of this video tells you exactly why we’ve got all of the big live operators wanting to do business with us. Not bad for a two month old side hustle to a side hustle.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ufVQdWhvTeS93PgF/?mibextid=KsPBc6

ps - we pay a low I+ flat percentage with zero processing fees. Happy to share details privately.

 

[Helmuts]

Thanks, we are selling out every week with a nice 40% margin.

We sold out a World Poker Tour event last week 3 days early. A £2k package for £5! We’re genuinely offering players ‘a new way to win’ big money poker experiences, without having to spend hours grinding online satellites or beat the pros, who have a clear edge.

I think the first two minutes of this video tells you exactly why we’ve got all of the big live operators wanting to do business with us. Not bad for a two month old side hustle to a side hustle.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ufVQdWhvTeS93PgF/?mibextid=KsPBc6

ps - we pay a low I+ flat percentage with zero processing fees. Happy to share details privately.

Very cool video!! And, Des is looking good on camera as well

 

[DesD]

Very cool video!! And, Des is looking good on camera as well

A face for radio I think is the expression!

For anyone who might have seen my original thread in search of a domain name for a competitions website (and the many who messaged me), the above is what I settled on.

The domain name was unregistered as a dot com, dot co uk, and dot uk, in both singular and plural forms. It was also free on FB, X and Insta, plus I’ve been able to register it as a trademark.

Sometimes you just get lucky…

https://www.acorndomains.co.uk/threads/dot-com-wanted-for-competitions-website.177375/#post-665473

 

[cloud]

Do it! It was so satisfying to add the TM!

That's what you use until it's registered. Then you use ®, meaning registered.

All the best

 

[diablo]

Yes, TM means you have a trademark that hasn't been registered. Trademarks don't need to be registered hence the widespread use of TM.

 

[DesD]

Yes, TM means you have a trademark that hasn't been registered. Trademarks don't need to be registered hence the widespread use of TM.

Yes, I need to update the assets as I’m not using a registered (or TM) mark on site or our stream yet.

 

[Helmuts]

Yes, TM means you have a trademark that hasn't been registered. Trademarks don't need to be registered hence the widespread use of TM.

wow, Thank you!! .. didn't know this.. asked Bard about this:

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in text format:

The main difference between TM and R lies in their legal protection and registration status:

TM (Trademark):
Used for unregistered trademarks. This means anyone can claim they have common law trademark rights to a phrase or symbol even without formal registration.
Offers limited protection. While using the TM symbol can serve as a deterrent and public notice of claimed ownership, it doesn't guarantee exclusive rights and requires proof of prior use in court.
Can be used before, during, or after applying for trademark registration.

R (Registered Trademark):
Used for registered trademarks granted by a government agency (e.g., USPTO in the US).
Offers strong legal protection. Registration grants exclusive rights to use the trademark for specific goods and services, making it easier to enforce against infringement and sue for damages.
Can only be used after successfully obtaining trademark registration.
Here's a table summarizing the key differences:

Additional notes:
While not legally required, using the appropriate symbol can benefit brand owners by raising awareness and deterring potential infringement.
Misusing the R symbol for unregistered trademarks can have legal consequences.
Some countries might have different symbols or regulations regarding trademarks.

 

[jimmc]

Informative post and congrats to Helmuts and DesD.

I was going to pitch in with the reason if its a UK mark that it has to be IPO first before WIPO as I found that out some years ago but someone covered that.

However I have another question if anyone can help?

I've regged ™s previously but as I said - some time ago.
I know the classes I want to reg my new one but here's the part I might need your help on.

Is it best to just copy n paste all the terms in a class, or do you really need to refine it?
The reason I ask is if you copy and paste according to the IPO office if you don't use some of those terms you could leave yourself open to challenge.- Do not choose terms that you do not plan to sell any goods and services in over the next 5 years. If you do, your trade mark may be challenged - and you may have to pay legal costs.

**However the flip side to that is, if you do copy everything in a class and there are no conflicting registered words, logos etc then the class and the terms are automatically accepted. - Less work for the IPO office as they don't have to search through what youve ut in there for each class?

I've doubled checked everything and it my case there is nothing similar re the name/word/logo..
I've spent the last couple of weeks drilling through terms on up to 5 classes and I've got what I think is where I want to be but now I'm asking myself. - Why do all of this, then put in the application and eventually your application is accepted only to find in a year or two that you've missed out something and someone elese has jumped on it?

Any advice, anyone?

I'm also writing this pretty long-winded post in the hope that it might help someone else on Acorn who might in the future want to ® their ™ and could answer some of their questions.

All the best,
Jim.

 

[cloud]

Is it best to just copy n paste all the terms in a class, or do you really need to refine it?
The reason I ask is if you copy and paste according to the IPO office if you don't use some of those terms you could leave yourself open to challenge.- Do not choose terms that you do not plan to sell any goods and services in over the next 5 years. If you do, your trade mark may be challenged - and you may have to pay legal costs.

**However the flip side to that is, if you do copy everything in a class and there are no conflicting registered words, logos etc then the class and the terms are automatically accepted. - Less work for the IPO office as they don't have to search through what youve ut in there for each class?

I personally never choose the stock terms that the IPO provide. I study other people's trademarks and curate a set of products and services that I'm personally happy with.

Regarding the scope of your TM, it looks like someone went a bit mad with the stock products and services for the Domain Summit one in my opinion, because it's the same thing written 17,000 different ways when it could have been broadly stated in simple terms, once.

We're lucky in the UK because we are allowed to be as broad as humanly possible. I can put anything in as simple terms, as long as it is in the correct class and makes sense then you are afforded broad protection.

Eg:

Catering services. - this covers a massive swathe of services.

Tech services - unspecific and broad in its meaning and can be interpreted in so many different ways.

HOWEVER if you plan on going global with the TM then you'll have to be specific at some point, but my experience of USPTO (the USA office) when I went directly to them, not via WIPO, they just suggested different terminology. As long as you're not going broader than your application, then they will help and accommodate modifications to your application's goods and services to make them more specific as they don't allow broad unspecific G&S like the UK.

So in my view if it's a UK mark, find the broadest term possible for the goods and services you want to provide. If it's broad enough and the services you actually provide fit within that broad term then you're golden and don't have to worry about someone petitioning to cancel some of your good or services, but be prepared to narrow it down to acceptable set of goods and services to accommodate the application in other territories.

I see writing a TM as a challenge to get everything in there that I want covered in the most succinct way possible. Then I play the IPO game and add in super broad goods and services as well. Both bases covered .

 

[jimmc]

Good advice jiblob and exactly what I did.

Check out the other applications in the classes you want to cover.
I drilled it down a bit more and double-checked in the niche/sector I'm in which gives you a bit more of a feel on what others are going with in the classes they and by association you definitely want in your application.

And you're bang on the money regarding - mutliple coverage of a single term when it could have been broadly stated in simple terms, once. - In some of the services classes, it's INSANE!

Good to know: - I can put anything in as simple terms, as long as it is in the correct class and makes sense then you are afforded broad protection

Cheers.