Wanted: Domain Appraisal golfclubcomponents_co_uk - 60k exact uk

[grantw]

It's a really dodgy area, I would wait and see what happens. If they just push the domain to your account then you will not be the legal owner, the domain will still legally belong to the previous owner - a push does not change the owner details on .uk domains.

If they do transfer ownership then there will be Nominet transfer fees to be paid. This again is another dodgy area becuase for them to transfer the domain via Nominet they will have to change the admin email address on the domain and basically move the domain from the current owners Nominet account into their own or yours.

Currently this domain still belongs to the previous owner and still did when it was in a suspended status.

Grant

 

[HariSeldon]

so can i file a legal case against them for selling me illegal domain with a claim ?

You need to check the small print of what you have actually paid for.

The auction page itself simply says that they will move the domain into your Dynadot account, it does not say that the domain becomes yours.

After the auction ends, the winning bidder will have the domain moved into their Dynadot account.

You also need to look into the .uk domain in your sig because as far as Nominet are concerned that domain belongs to Dynadot and not to a private individual (unless dynadot is your name!)

 

[retired_member34]

I would give Nominet a call http://www.nominet.org.uk/about/contact/

 

[retired_member13]

I think this is an interesting & somewhat worrying case.

As Dynadot are changing the registrant contact details of the whois records during the suspension period (eg see the whois for shortvideo.co.uk) they are stopping the Registrant from receiving renewal notices on the domain (eg the 30 day and 7 day warning notices that Nom send out before the deletion of the domain).

As Dynadot are doing this purely to line their own pockets (ie it is in their interests for great names to expire so they can auction them off) this is a clear conflict of interests. Imagine if Daily.co.uk or UKReg.com stopped people from getting the renewal notices for names like Money.co.uk so they could auction them off en masse?

I've formally raised this with Nom, and I'd advise anyone who doesn't want Registrants to be ripped off by unscrupulous registrars to do the same. It doesn't affect me personally as I control my own names, but I feel for anyone who loses a good name due to these extremely dubious practices.

 

[doodlebug]

Stopping an original registrant from recieving renewal e-mails in my view is theft, they are only going to get some of these domains by preventing the original owner from renewing the domain.

I wonder what ICANN and Nominet will have to say about this ?

 

[Systreg]

Something else to point out is that Dynadot offer a privacy protection service for domains registered with them, I know that as I've got a few non UK domains with them, but in the case of UK names.

I used to use the privacy for a couple of UK names I had with them and it listed me as the registrant but with the Dynadot address for the registrants address, and if someone was to email me, such as Nominet or in one case a US lawyer, Dynadot forwarded the email to me, so that may be the case with those domains listed in this topic.

 

[Systreg]

I sent Dynadot an email to point them to this topic, which they appear to have read, and I suggested they might want to register here to give their response, they replied:

Hello,

As with all domain extensions we auction, we do so at the end of the Registrants renewal period. We do not actually move the domain into the winners account until after that period ends.

http://www.dynadot.com/registration_agreement.html

UK domains have a 97 day (37 + 60) renewal period.

We start our auctions for UK domains on day 82 and ending on day 89/90. Assuming there is a winner, the domain isn't moved into the winners account until day 97.

To address another issue in the forum post, Registrants are updated on regular intervals about when their domains are due to expire:

http://www.dynadot.com/help/question.html?aid=26

As a Domainer, I'm sure you've gotten plenty of those emails from us!

Best Regards,
Dynadot Staff

 

[stevebrowne]

so what do they do if the original owner renews on day 90-97, which they are entitled to do? They don't actually say when the legal transfer takes place. ie. do they renew before it drops (as the original owner?), or simply hope to catch it before another dropcatcher?

Still doesn't sound right to me.

 

[Rob_F]

Dodgy as hell.

They must renew it before the drop date (92 days) and as they are not acting on behalf of the original registrant I'm almost 100% certain they are not authorised to do that.

Wonder what would happen if someone were to sue the current registrant of golfclubcomponents.co.uk, dispite the fact he has no control over it and it should have dropped, he is still the legal registrant?

Anyone contacted Nominet yet?

- Rob

 

[oka7domain]

Dodgy as hell.

They must renew it before the drop date (92 days) and as they are not acting on behalf of the original registrant I'm almost 100% certain they are not authorised to do that.

so They [dynadot and winners] will have to wait for 5 days after dropping day [days 93rd-97th]whether It's legal or illegal for Them to go thru the next process? And wait If there's legal action made by the previous owner or nominet according to this issue? -wait and see- is..very risky. You were right, They 100% certain are not authorised to do that.

I have some -registered on dynadot- and It worries me a bit when my domain's on renewal period. never happened to me, But if They actually block me [as legal registrant/owner] from renewing my domain and throwing it to the market. It's a "non-ethical practice". Let Us hear what's dynadot arguments as They might have another perspective or rights on This [being wise is better for me right now, I think-If They still indicated to do that way, then It's safe to transfer names out to other registrar before expired] -and It's all about trust-.

 

[stevebrowne]

It's certainly non-ethical. I thought Nominet were quite specific that all names belong to them, and registrants lease them for periods of 2 years at a time. When a registration expires, they go back to the main pool for reallocation when (or if) Nominet decide to make them available again.

Under current rules, that means that L and LL get withdrawn, and everything gets randomly dropped. There are probably other rules as well.

But for drop catchers to be called non-ethical and despised by people when practices like this are going on simply beggars belief.

 

[oka7domain]

If registrar's acting as dropcatcher on the same domain and blocks original owner from renewing It. Then It's not good for the business.

But for domain name listed here, we don't actually know the real situation [might original owner doesn't want to renew It as he has another prosperous name in his pocket or he is going to leave domain business so he let It dropped- There are persons like that].

Dropcatchers have rights to snap every expired/dropped names available in the market, but still non-ethical practices in my view if They are also acting as registrar and blocking original owner from renewing It[or never send notices to owner about renewal dates-at least They must warn the original owner to renew It first before auctioned It en masse]. Dynadot must have Their own perspective about the case. I will stay calm on this and let see what will happen next, or should original owner and dynadot have something to say ? [hope It ended up in goodnews].

 

[grantw]

Registrants are agreeing to this in the terms at time of registration by the looks of it. An interesting situation:

You understand and agree that, if You have not renewed the domain by the thirtieth (30th) day of the Post-Expiration period, Dynadot may put the domain name up for auction in its Marketplace pursuant to the terms set forth in this Agreement. During a Marketplace auction, You may still renew the domain until the end of the Post-Expiration period. If You fail to renew the domain during the Post-Expiration period, regardless of reason or fault, You understand and agree that Dynadot may, in its sole discretion and without any responsibility or liability to You, make a final and irreversible transfer of the domain to another party. In such cases, there is no Deletion period.

Grant

 

[oka7domain]

Great info then, Grant That's what we need to hear. I missed that part