Final .uk solution Nominet has produced is good for all

[foz]

The only winners from direct.uk now are the wealthy portfolio owners

The winners are the 90% of .co.uk registrants that aren't domainers.

 

[Stephen]

automatic rights

The winners are the 90% of .co.uk registrants that aren't domainers.

Lets not forget some massive changes of V2 "opt in" which everybody here knew about and so would have been okay, but the vast majority of UK domain holders did not and would possibly not find out about, if such a scheme was kept.

That has been changed to "automatic rights" for all .co.uk owners, I really massive step forward for the UK namespace.

 

[foz]

Really, so for people like crplumbingandheatingservices.co.uk having to pay twice to protect their online brand makes them a winner?

Doubling up on a premium domain however is a whole different ball game and from a purely selfish point of view, I couldn't believe my luck yesterday.

Well an extra ~£3 per year isn't going to break the bank. They have five years to make a transition if they choose to do so.

Premium, buyers won't want one without the other. So I don't think just because a double up has occurred that you will be able to extract double the sale price or value.

 

[websaway]

Really, so for people like crplumbingandheatingservices.co.uk having to pay twice to protect their online brand makes them a winner?

Doubling up on a premium domain however is a whole different ball game and from a purely selfish point of view, I couldn't believe my luck yesterday.

Not meaning to shoot you down but I see it that crplumbingandheatingservices.co.uk will now not have to act on anything for the next five years, during which time he may well say he wants the .uk equivalent of his name and he will not incur any large expense during the interim.

 

[bulkcorn]

This forum has been consumed with the rantings of bitter, ill educated bullies that don't understand the purpose of a consultation. Anyone that has dared to offer an opinion that gave Nominet the benefit of the doubt have been harangued and even threatened.

These same people have accused the Nominet board of collusion, nepotism, corruption and everything in between and they now have the arrogance to suggest that it was their input that forced Nominet's hand.

Yesterdays decision was despite their actions rather than because of them and I'm just thankful that we had Edwin to show that we could offer some semblance of professionalism. I know I didn't always see eye to eye with Edwin but his determination to focus on the facts rather make it personal is what I believe won the day.

Nominet deserved every 'accusation' they got as a result of the original proposals. They did not deserve a pat on the back for how they tried to force V1 on us! Their proposals for .cymru/.wales showed they knew what exactly they were doing! The outcry forced them to change position.

Yes, its all turned out well (because we resisted the proposals) but how they tried to shaft .co.uk owners by selling the business domain extension a second time to the highest bidders will never be forgotten!

 

[Nigel]

Well an extra ~£3 per year isn't going to break the bank. They have five years to make a transition if they choose to do so.

Premium, buyers won't want one without the other. So I don't think just because a double up has occurred that you will be able to extract double the sale price or value.

agree with you there. I think prices might get back to what they were prior to the V1 consultation - I'd be happy with that - some of the reported sale prices were very buoyant. I can't see us doubling up on values because we've got the .uk and .co.uk.

 

[Nigel]

Nominet deserved every 'accusation' they got as a result of the original proposals. They did not deserve a pat on the back for how they tried to force V1 on us! Their proposals for .cymru/.wales showed they knew what exactly they were doing! The outcry forced them to change position.

Yes, its all turned out well (because we spoke resisited the proposals) but how they tried to shaft .co.uk owners by selling the business domain extension a second time to the highest bidders will never be forgotten!

agree 100% with you there - it won't be forgotten

 

[Nigel]

Not by bitter types like you. A christian my arse!

I think you're out of order bringing my faith into this. I haven't been personal with you or nominet in any way. Simply pointing out discrepancies in the statements they've made and the proposals they definitely wanted to implement.

 

[bulkcorn]

Point me to the place where they "they tried to force V1 on us!"

You prefer 'they tried it on us'?

Not by bitter types like you. A christian my arse!

... taking it a bit personal? :lol:

 

[julian]

trouble with this industry is it isn't really work..

 

[foz]

I agree but it's not about the money, it's about complication for the sake of complication.

What if crplumbingandheatingservices.co.uk forget to take up their option to .uk, what if their registrar fails to notify them of the changes, what if their e-mail isn't working and they don't get the e-mail from their registrar, what if ...

Direct.uk does nothing for the typical UK domain owner other add a unnessacary complication.

Yep, I still desire status quo, .uk is vanity not a technical requirement.

What Nominet has come out with and the long transition period (60 months) is doable for most. Their will be some falling through the cracks, but those occurrences happen now to the same frequency with expiring domains that should have been renewed.

 

[foz]

Shouldn't that original 1st Oct 2012 page remain just as it was published with all the links and information intact?

Unfortunately Nominet with its new website has taken the stance not to archive material. Their old site was brilliant on that front.

 

[bulkcorn]

I've been threatened with the police if I didn't keep my mouth shut and had my previous mental health problems used against me by members of this forum during this direct.uk debate so it's already personal.

Sean, sorry to hear you'd been treated like that in the past. Let it go!

One thing about 'not forgetting' is that it is not necessarily being remembered in bitterness! It is very positive to look back and laugh at the failed efforts those who tried to shaft you or do evil to you. You can also pity them too :lol:!

Of course "they tried it on us", that's what a consultation is, put something out there and see what you get back.

It was labelled a 'consultation'. Sorry, some of us have experienced things in life that make you look beyond 'labels'.

If you had a set of twins, would you 'try' a tuna sandwich on one and a gravel sandwich on the other, for lunch?

 

[bulkcorn]

But I don't believe they tried to shaft me.

Whether I like it or not, I'm tagged with this title "domainer" which I hate and which means that I'm seen as being part of a group. The thing is the most vociferous part of that group has gone to war with Nominet and are hell bent on getting rid of the CEO amongst other things.

Now I want Nominet to be held accountable for their actions but I also want to engage with them and not be seen as the enemy but the actions of others make it almost impossible to achieve that.

I believe they tried to shaft me! I won't forget that they cannot be completely trusted! The last 13 months were frustrating but I look back and laugh, and I am not bitter one bit. I do appreciate that others will feel differently but I will not attack them for it, personally or otherwise!

You can be that lone voice in the wilderness supporting your cause ..... actually, there are at least 4 persons on this forum who share the same sentiments as you. If the CEO is gotten rid of, she won't be the first person to be gotten rid of rightly or in error. Everybody will learn lessons and life will go on, just as would have happened if V1 had been successful!

 

[diablo]

Nominet have made a real effort to incorporate the feedback into the final .uk solution.

Nominet finally got the message and have put the UK namespace firmly ahead of; 'this is all do to with Nominet’s needs and desires'.

The final .uk solution Nominet has produced is;

• good for UK business
• good for UK domain holders
• good for .org.uk
• good for new UK domain entrants

It is not perfect solution but no new system ever would be perfect.

Nominet even had some studies done to try to justify why .uk was needed as many had always expressed the view that such work should be undertaken to make the case why have .uk at all.

Hope that the few problems created by the solution can be minimized further by identifying the issues and acting on them as soon as possible.

On-going forward I hope Nominet will consider the following;

Create a lookup tool on its website (and agreatplacetobe.co.uk) for any UK domain name that will advise what the situation is regarding the equivalent .uk. Adjusting for pre/post 28th October 2013 so will work with old and new registrations.​

Scrap the Nominet £12 transfer fee now, it will help with renewal rate improvements and the free flow of .co.uk domains that are entitled to the .uk. Please don’t wait and introduce the scrapping to benefit large registrars, do it now to improve the UK namespace and bring it in to line with .com and .net etc.​

Set a date for the postponed Nominet 2013 registrar meeting early in 2014, so to get feedback on .uk and other issues, so Nominet can take account of those views and observations which should help it fine tune implementation.​

Consider how to reduce leakage of different ownership of .co.uk and .uk by changing renewal notices etc. to warn of the commercial and security dangers of not owning both.​

Update the reserved list as soon as possible and if any domains that were on the proposal that are no longer going to be needed, please advise the owners of the .co.uk so they are put through unnecessary anxiety.​

Nominet use Nominet.org.uk not Nominet.uk to support .org.uk.​

Helpful for Nominet to issue guidelines to registrars about selling and offering .uk which include a clear statement about the 5 years to decide, so as not to unduly pressure people to pay when they don't have to. (idea from Andrew Bennett)​

Hope that Nominet will realize that 'domainers' can help shape the UK namespace, for the benefit of all and that a new constructive relationship is established going forward.

Top quality post.

 

[Nigel]

You're the one that likes to tell us you're a "born again" christian. Well if that is the case, you might want to reconsider some of the things that your accusing people of without proof because it's not a very christian way to behave.

Sean

Please re-read my posts today. And I'd like everyone else to as well. There is nothing there that is accusing people of anything without proof. I can't quite believe that you've escalated this to say that my posts are unchristian like. I would never personally attack anyone in a nasty way and I think plenty on here know that's not the way I behave. I will however scrutinise nominet's actions and point out discrepancies.

All I pointed out is that nominet's original proposals were serious and would definitely been implemented if they could have. This latest statement from nominet that says that they weren't looking to maximise revenue from implementing .uk conflicts with v1 when they proposed a £20 a domain fee and massive auction revenue. I thought that statement warranted a response together with the fact that key v1 links and other information already appears to be missing from the original page. I then simply agreed with bulkcorn's reminder that they tried to sell off the prime domain space even though it belonged to existing .co.uk domain holders. So I get shouted down for pointing that out, told its not a Christian way to behave. Unbelievable. Anyway this is the last post I'm making on here. Time to take a break.

 

[Sound]

You can be that lone voice in the wilderness supporting your cause ..... actually, there are at least 4 persons on this forum who share the same sentiments as you. If the CEO is gotten rid of, she won't be the first person to be gotten rid of rightly or in error. Everybody will learn lessons and life will go on, just as would have happened if V1 had been successful!

There are many people on this forum who share the same views as Sean some have now left the forum and no longer post because of the endless moaning bulling and bitching from others who spent the whole consultation acting like rabbits caught in the headlights.

Some people are being used and influenced by members who only come back to the forum and post to spread their hatred of Nominet and its Board members. Other than that they contribute very little to Acorn and tar the whole domain community with their actions

How do you feel the people who work on the front line for Nominet doing the best they can have felt listening and viewing a tirade of hatred and abuse via the Phones Twitter and other Nominet sucks type websites.

I am sure the same people who didn't inform the public during the consultation that buying a domain from them would mean they may have not got the .uk will now be shouting the virtues of .uk on thier websites.

As Julian says is not a real job.

 

[websaway]

I don't think anyone should feel bad or make others feel bad for what's been said in the past, this whole issue is very subjective and subsequently different people have different views. There are a lot of members who visit the site but who no longer post, It's a good idea to try to attract them back, because their input on other topics is always beneficial and the industry itself is rich in news and views and getting richer. Who's bought what, who's sold what, what are people doing on the new extensions, who's developing , who's getting out , who's getting in. The biggest problem has been for the last 12 months that domainers have been divesting themselves of their worst domains , so pushing sale price averages down.
I've no doubt things will redress themselves but not while we're busy sawing sawdust.

 

[Edwin]

The more the difference between the final implementation of .uk and the earlier consultation rounds sinks in, the more I realise that perhaps I didn't give Nominet enough benefit of the doubt when they insisted that nothing was set in stone and everything was still up for grabs. The extent to which they moved the goalposts (in the right direction) between V2 and the final version shows that there was a lot of truth to their statement, and that I was wrong to doubt them to the extent I did.

I think the awkward way the whole process unfolded - due in no small part to continual poor communication along the way, and an unnecessary sense of secrecy - served to obscure their genuine willingness to be guided by feedback.

In hindsight, it also felt more "personal" than it really was, because I don't think anyone on the Nominet side of the table really empathised with how damaging the consultation process itself was (uncertainty, FUD etc.) even before it reached any kind of conclusion.

Ultimately, that's the right way round. Messy process, good result trumps good process, messy result every day in my book.

Doesn't mean that Nominet and I are bosom buddies again, but I'm willing to treat the past as preamble and see how .uk develops moving forward.

 

[Brassneck]

Edwin, don't you feel that a consultation is where you ask questions rather than give answers. If you have answers, surely that suggests you're further down the decision process than you should be and could also cause you to taint peoples response?

This is where some failed to grasp what Nominets intent was. Leaving everything on the table provoked a very deep response and a huge number of questions which for me made the consultation a great success.

The thing the Nominet board should take away from this is how poor their communication was at times. That is something that certainly needs addressing and I think a board position for a director of communications would be a wise move. I also think there needs to be more engagement with smaller members but that's a two way street. Members also need to take the time to get to know the board so they aren't so easily influenced by others rhetoric.

I agree pretty much with this especially as the forum at times was hijacked by others with their own personal agendas regarding Nominet's wider motives.

I gave up engaging in these threads because as far as I could see Nominet's consultation was pretty much in line with the sort you see Government running everyday.