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Dropping like flies today

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FC Domains said:
Looking at my logs I would speculate that a lot of the very best domains are still being caught using speculative requests.
even then i cant see how 1000 speculative requests a day can net anything - you'd have to be incredibly lucky!? unless there is a big delay between the name being deleted from the registry and being shown available on the DAC?
 
FC Domains said:
Looking at my logs I would speculate that a lot of the very best domains are still being caught using speculative requests.

If that is the case we should be all the more impressed that a single Tag can pick up many top names in one day, particularly since dozens of other Tags would be going after the same names in the same way.
 
jonno said:
even then i cant see how 1000 speculative requests a day can net anything - you'd have to be incredibly lucky!? unless there is a big delay between the name being deleted from the registry and being shown available on the DAC?

If the automaton is busy and has a large queue of requests awaiting processing, a well timed "lucky" speculative request will beat the DAC.

An extreme example:

Let's say the automaton is manic busy and has a queue such that each request takes 30 minutes to get to the front of the queue and get processed. You're knocking out speculative emails every 15 mins. So at any one time you've probably got two (ish) registration requests waiting in the queue.

The domain drops at 1pm precisely. Frank Spencer's DAC script spots this a few milliseconds after 1pm. His speedy script fires off a registration email to Nominet 10ms later. However it's joined the back of the queue. So my request, already in the queue, will get there first.


Yes there's lots of variables to play with, but hopefully it gets the point over.

I believe that is what FC Domains was getting at when he posted here
 
There is an 'x' factor in the ingredients mix. So many tags are going for the same names and yet the same few tags get those names. We can all randomly fire off requests and as so many are doing this we can say for sure that 'luck' is not the 'x'. As I said before, it is something about the way names drop in batches relative to each other, the timing, the sequence. Call it the 'echo effect', or whatever. The successful tags seem to know when to send their requests, and they are not just responding to the DAC return feed. Perhaps they are not responding to the feed at all, but they are responding to something and then blasting at very precise moments and at high frequencies. Let us call them the 'pre- tags' for 'pre-noms' with informed 'pre-cognition'.
 
mreeves said:
Perhaps they know the order in which the domains drop

In which stars drop, thats more likely.
Jay from Nominet stated here (not even once I recall) that the drop cycle is totally random.

So we have nothing but believe this. It's up to you. Some believe in God, some don't.

We can also believe there is no cheating, but this gets quickly disproved by facts, own success experience and simple math -- which was already mentioned here.
 
I don't believe in God but I did believe in Father Christmas until keys let it slip :(
 
The DAC works off the live Oracle database clusters, but the automaton is a simple email server - according to the mx records 2 of them, which will have it's own response rate in analysing and updating the database. Not rocket science, just common sense.

I've caught domains using spec requests but not many.


Are you sure about Santa!! :(

S
 
Load of cobblers, you guys are talking out of your rectums.
























Santa is alive and kickin'.. lives in Peckham.
 
aquanuke said:
Santa is alive and kickin'.. lives in Peckham.

Hurrah! thanks for clearing that up aqua, that has made my day :)

Have you got his latest address? as he hasn't been responding to my letters since I was about 15 years old :( so I guess he doesn't get his mail redirected from the North Pole.
 
vizzy said:
In which stars drop, thats more likely.
Jay from Nominet stated here (not even once I recall) that the drop cycle is totally random.

So we have nothing but believe this. It's up to you. Some believe in God, some don't.

We can also believe there is no cheating, but this gets quickly disproved by facts, own success experience and simple math -- which was already mentioned here.

"...and simple math...". Is that a spelling error or other?
 
so if you all can send in these times ? how come you are all not still beating the other tag holders ?????
 
laskos said:
so if you all can send in these times ? how come you are all not still beating the other tag holders ?????
did you just catch internetjobs laskos??

nice job.. you must have a fast script:rolleyes:
 
cheers, i have caught a few good ones over past days.....
 
aquanuke said:
Thanks for that Jonno just spent 3 hours on this and well chuffed at my results..

Detect and send 0.01373815536499 seconds
13ms

Gonna go to bed now.

You lying cake. Only the average DAC response! time is around 20 ms.
 
turnic said:
You lying cake. Only the average DAC response! time is around 20 ms.

not from my box it isn't - i get 10 - 16ms average :)

it all depends on your internet connection and geographic location from nominet's DAC server.
 
jonno said:
not from my box it isn't - i get 10 - 16ms average :)

it all depends on your internet connection and geographic location from nominet's DAC server.

That is NOT related to your box or my box. I am talking about the graphics given by Nominet responsible person on discussion group. The minimum is 17 ms and the average is 21 ms. This is DAC server response time. If I interpret this wrong let me know.
 
I think he means 13ms from the reply back from the DAC saying a domain name is free to register to the registration email being received by Nominet
 
Nismo said:
I think he means 13ms from the reply back from the DAC saying a domain name is free to register to the registration email being received by Nominet

Oh Ok then sorry for misunderstanding.
 
rob said:
So do those getting all the names cheat?

Like in this thread 'That certain someone got anything he thought valuable' - can some people name names and have some bollocks, then we can all watch them have a proper ding dong fight in court or wherever and be done with it.

It just gets very dull to see domains dropping then threads like this pop up, already in this thread someone has a system from 125ms to 27 and then 13ms!

So out with it Jonno ;) I saw Zaffer, Fox, t agnames, Kite, Wright etc etc all catch names, so who do you think has 'more than one dac per entity' ? :)

Ok here is the results:

23 top names gone to 1 Tag
15 top names gone to 1 Tag

I have the full list of all names if you want. The drop started around 13 pm and lasted to midnight. Can you tell me in order to catch 23 top names how many requests do you need? The TAG was up till the last 3 names which are jan.co.uk lce.co.uk and vat.co.uk till 23 pm. In order to catch a top name you need to use full speed. For 10 hours you need 10*60*500= 300 K and you got anything you want?

I do not know whether I am legally have this right to ask this question:

Every tag has its unique ip and can own one ip. I ask: Can you please Nominet tell me when those 23 names were dropping whether the ip of tag x was requesting dac or not? It is so simple.

I am ready to supply you the names.
 
OK - heres what i was talking about earlier.

luckily i have a tracking system that detects drops and records the APPROXIMATE time (and tagholder).

below are my records for one catcher - no names (or domains) mentioned - and remember these are just the names i had in my list!

28-12-2005
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15:47
15:56
15:56
16:01
16:01
17:01
17:12
17:26
18:56
19:46
20:31
23:41

29-12-2005
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02:41
06:11
08:41
10:01


now - from my records it appears that this tagholder started going for names around 3-4PMish - all the way through the night - until finally stopping at 10ish AM.

for this person do check the DAC for this duration using the allowed 216,000, he would have to be sending a request to the DAC once every 350ms (for one name). now if what Jay Daily says is correct (about droptimes being totally random), i cannot see any possible way (with 216,000 requests) this tagholder can net so many names in the time specified.
 
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