Do you want a £750 fine?

[Pred]

I wonder what steven terence jackson has got to say about it all?
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[olebean]

I wonder what steven terence jackson has got to say about it all?
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Shall we discuss incorrect address details again

 

[Pred]

i wasn't aware he did. does he? lol
i meant if you held probably the best .uk portfolio, if nominet's aims were true it would be rather worrying? non?
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[olebean]

Yes (not fully correct!)... lol

even if the details were correct I would certainly question the how the correspondence to a limited company is handed.. ie.. Whether there is a charge levied to him personally for the limited company handling his correspondence :twisted:

 

[retired_member26]

STR is actually reachable by email but his domain prices are unreachable

 

[scooter]

Also what happens if you don't reply to a DRS or can't reply within 15 days?

Get back from holiday and find a Nominet invoice for £750 + Vat......

Scandalous. Sounds to me like blatant "reverse highjacking" of DRS fees.

I bet the majority of normal domainers out there will not even of heard of Nominet. They will have simply gone to a registrar, regged a name, built a site and now they could be faced with a £750 bill if someone contests that name and wins!

This is very worrying. How can we voice our disapproval?


If this is a "consultation" period at present, how can we join forces to ensure it does not become a reality?


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[olebean]

The price of domains is unlikely to rise in the short term..

 

[Whois-Search]

Check out DRS expert Claire Milne's response from "New DRS option":

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/13039_Claire_Milne.pdf

The late response fee should encourage registrants to maintain contact details at which they can be easily reached, and to respond if they have a case to make.

 

[scooter]

This is farcical. We are not living in a police state but it does look like we are rapidly heading towards a "Nominet" state in terms of UK domaining.

Nominet should not be in control of DRS.

For it to be truly impartial, it should hand the reigns over to ICANN like other countries.


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[Pred]

This is farcical. We are not living in a police state but it does look like we are rapidly heading towards a "Nominet" state in terms of UK domaining.

Nominet should not be in control of DRS.

For it to be truly impartial, it should hand the reigns over to ICANN like other countries.


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You must be joking. Icann are one of the most corrupt organisations going.
Nominet i believe are totally trustworthy & honest, just a little misguided & inept, due to outgrowing themselves.
Ideally we would have a separate entity in this country, small & inexpensive, lol, for drs cases.
However, you know what will happen. It will end up with the same failings & problems in the drs area & would end up making the process really expensive, which we would all have to foot, if & when our turn came round.
Better the devil we know.
I would say get some true independants to sit in on the panel & change the system around. If they vet the complaints properly then only a handful should make it through. Then probably the fairest way is the losing party pay a small amount. And i mean small. Nominet can contribute the bulk of costs. After all, they are a non-profit making organisation Just my two pence.
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[hunkydorey]

Implications of a Big Drop

I've been mulling over what's been said and thought about what would happen in the event of a rule change and threat of a £850 or so fine for the "loser".

I'm sure this site would be quick to let everyone know and then we'd be sat with the option of a mass deletion of names.

Imagine that, it only takes a few days to get a name deleted by nominet and should we feel threatened by one DRS then there's nothing stopping us mass deleting other domains.

That would not be good as names where more than one compnay stakes a claim could be snapped up by a rival. It would be a mess.

My combined income from the domains I own hardly covers 1 DRS and I own around 50 that could be contested, so it simply not worth it.

I expect there would be a 2 year amnesty as the terms and conditions of sale by Nominet would I believe need to be changed to specify that anyone reg' a domain may be fined and sued by anyone whos wants the name they reg' and the loser picks up the costs !!!!.

I also expect that the claiment will have to prove they've bought every other relevant TLD before you reg'd your domain to get a hearing.

Same with TMs only TMs reg'd before you reg'd the domain for the first time ?? could get complex for renewals.


Thinking about it, it might be easier for Nominet to block renewals where there is contested domain, and the winner gets the right to register it, the loser would get nothing and not be fined, that way things would be far smoother and would avoid a mass deletion.

 

[Paullas]

non profit organisation with millions or thousands in bank, hhmmm still makes me laugh....

 

[retired_member6]

It's surprising how IP lawyers wish to talk themselves out of a job, but there you go. It would appear as shown by their comments in that hall the other day, some of them they really are idiots.

 

[Whois-Search]

Two important DRS responses just in regarding "loser pays":

Royal Bank of Scotland - 16/2/2007:

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/15831_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland.pdf

We would generally be in favour of option (c), as there is currently little incentive for abusers to stop registering infringing or fraudulent domain names. At present, the only punishment is that the registrant loses the domain, having put the complainant to significant expense and effort.

Tony Willoughby - 15/2/2007:

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/15828_Tony_Willoughby_OS.pdf

I am against option 3 simply because I cannot see how such a system could sensibly be enforced.

 

[bb99]

Two important DRS responses just in regarding "loser pays":

If I was a sceptic, I would say that "loser pays" was only branded about to put the wind up domainers. There was no intention of doing it, but the plan is to make domainers so relieved that loser pays isn't being implemented after the consultation that they fail to notice the other subtle changes to the policy that have been suggested in the filler text (and not on the online form). Fail to notice, that is, until the changes come back to haunt them in a DRS sometime soon...

But I am not a sceptic so it can't be so. I love Nominet and I know they would never do that to me :mrgreen:

 

[Whois-Search]

If I was a sceptic, I would say that "loser pays" was only branded about to put the wind up domainers. There was no intention of doing it, but the plan is to make domainers so relieved that loser pays isn't being implemented after the consultation that they fail to notice the other subtle changes to the policy that have been suggested in the filler text (and not on the online form). Fail to notice, that is, until the changes come back to haunt them in a DRS sometime soon...

But I am not a sceptic so it can't be so. I love Nominet and I know they would never do that to me :mrgreen:

I agree BB99 however I can just see the headlines now "Nominet becomes the first registry to impose a deterrent to cybersquatting".

This just in from Out-Law.com:

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/16030_OUT-LAW.com.pdf

We suggest changing the rules to give an expert the discretion to order that a losing party pay the cost of an expert's fee. This will be appropriate in clear cases of abuse.

 

[olebean]

The type of headlines nominet craves?

 

[Paullas]

if this rule comes in where loser pays etc would that be for domains reg as from now (if it came in) or would the ruling be for domains regged in the past few years?

 

[Whois-Search]

if this rule comes in where loser pays etc would that be for domains reg as from now (if it came in) or would the ruling be for domains regged in the past few years?

I think (from the DRS event) that it will apply to all existing domains as soon as they impose the new contract.

However apart from not being applied at all! If it has to be applied I would like to see it applied only when a domain name is renewed so the registrant can read the new DRS contract (supplied by the registrar) before clicking the renew button.

 

[retired_member6]

Did I have until 5pm or midnight? Just checking as I missed the last two out and there were parts not on the online form that were elsewhere for change? what's the bleeding point of that then? scrap it, do it again. Ha.