Direct.uk is ongoing.....

[websaway]

My portfolio stands at roughly 18 names.

I have nothing to lose from .uk coming becoming a reality.

At least for the benefit of the forum we've established that.
And if you could just add that comment every time you post on the subject it would assist others in their thinking about your opinions.

 

[lee]

At least for the benefit of the forum we've established that.
And if you could just add that comment every time you post on the subject it would assist others in their thinking about your opinions.

Lol - I do ok.

Its nice to see you post more than one word answers.

 

[namealot]

Example ?

Of what exactly? Why they will be available?, of what to register? , how to find them..?

 

[websaway]

Of what exactly? Why they will be available?, of what to register? , how to find them..?

"There will be opportunities a plenty for anyone with half a brain, Those that think there wont are either in denial or there vested interest is blinding them , Everyone will be regging them unlike other cctlds that have been marketed as competition or alternatives for tld,s its a sure fire money pit to swim in? "

I've put your comments above.

Now give an example of how those with half a brain will benefit ?
How is it a money pit for anyone other than Nominet ?

 

[lee]

Namealot, I think he is pulling our plonkers. Put him on your Div list and move on.

 

[Sound]

There will be plenty of opportunities for people who think outside the box as Scott proved at the last auction of two letter domains run by Nominet.

Owners of large portfolios have already started to downsize the amount of domains they own and stated this on the forum.

Going forward Portfolio owners are going to be hit very hard if Nominet pushes though .UK £20,000 for every 1000 domains soon ads up.

The clever people and they know who they are have said very little about .uk and quietly hoovered up some great generic .co.uk domains for very little money.

 

[websaway]

There will be plenty of opportunities for people who think outside the box as Scott proved at the last auction of two letter domains run by Nominet.

Owners of large portfolios have already started to downsize the amount of domains they own and stated this on the forum.

Going forward Portfolio owners are going to be hit very hard if Nominet pushes though .UK £20,000 for every 1000 domains soon ads up.

The clever people and they know who they are have said very little about .uk and quietly hoovered up some great generic .co.uk domains for very little money.

if it was introduced in the manner you outline, and of course that's unlikely given the result from the last consultation,then any valuable name worth having will still just have the .uk registered alongside it, simple as that.
The only possible winners would be Nominet.

 

[Sound]

if it was introduced in the manner you outline, and of course that's unlikely given the result from the last consultation,then any valuable name worth having will still just have the .uk registered alongside it, simple as that.
The only possible winners would be Nominet.

The only thing outlined in my post is the cost of £20 Nominet are not going to give them out for free.

If you believe your own words then you are going to miss out.

 

[websaway]

The only thing outlined in my post is the cost of £20 Nominet are not going to give them out for free.

If you believe your own words then you are going to miss out.

Don't get me wrong. I think newbies especially will hoover up inferior domains that are being dropped because of the big g thing and which people have not been able to sell, and will then go on to register the dot uk if qualified, but the only beneficiary is liable to be Nominet.

 

[namealot]

I suppose you can ignore the methods used acquiring and registering trademarks etc in the past for eligibility to other registrations…? Corporations, companies, councils etc those notoriously slow at making decisions, authorizing people to make payments even at £3,
Those that have names and can’t compete in auctions, those that don’t know, don’t care, think it will not effect them, are not eligible, the chance to get names you know current owners would never sell? The opportunity to get names even 99% of market value is a saving (Especially as many are running scared of the situation and starting to sell cheap) buying from others who get lucky but are clueless with regs or don’t want them ?

How many names do you think are worth 1k+ to end users 500k a million more? Do you think they’ll all reg them? Should you care if it wipes out the complete value of current names? no if you make it back on the.uk, Could it affect current developed names no more than plural hyphenated other tld cctlds g fffing about. But that goes both ways ? The eager buyers waiting to get bites out of there competitions I have no sentimentality about domains its business and if you cannot see any benefits or ways to make £ then yes your stuffed?

That’s not too say I wish it or approve of it in anyway but its just business but stick by your words make a stand don't reg any even if you can that'll show em whose boss in them there hills

 

[websaway]

I suppose you can ignore the methods used acquiring and registering trademarks etc in the past for eligibility to other registrations…? Corporations, companies, councils etc those notoriously slow at making decisions, authorizing people to make payments even at £3,
Those that have names and can’t compete in auctions, those that don’t know, don’t care, think it will not effect them, are not eligible, the chance to get names you know current owners would never sell? The opportunity to get names even 99% of market value is a saving (Especially as many are running scared of the situation and starting to sell cheap) buying from others who get lucky but are clueless with regs or don’t want them ?

How many names do you think are worth 1k+ to end users 500k a million more? Do you think they’ll all reg them? Should you care if it wipes out the complete value of current names? no if you make it back on the.uk, Could it affect current developed names no more than plural hyphenated other tld cctlds g fffing about. But that goes both ways ? The eager buyers waiting to get bites out of there competitions I have no sentimentality about domains its business and if you cannot see any benefits or ways to make £ then yes your stuffed?

That’s not too say I wish it or approve of it in anyway but its just business but stick by your words make a stand don't reg any even if you can that'll show em whose boss in them there hills

You're outlining all the reasons why it won't happen, well done.
That's not to say you can't dream, dream on.

 

[namealot]

You're outlining all the reasons why it won't happen, well done.
That's not to say you can't dream, dream on.

If you say so...

 

[Nigel]

I'm also in the camp that welcomes the change.

In the ideal world, I think that people should only be able to purchase names if they actually intend on developing them at some point. If someone has owned a name for 5+ years and still shown absolutely no signs of doing anything with it, it should be taken off them.

Whilst this .uk introduction won't achieve the kind of thing I would like to see implemented and whilst I realise that such a system would be impossible to implement.... it may force some of the large portfolio owners to consolidate their portfolios due to increased costs. I think they will have to. If these .uks do go ahead at £20, portfolio holders in the thousands will probably only be able to justify a relatively small number.

I predict this will affect end user sales....

Lets say BusinessX wants to buy SomeAverageName.co.uk ..... and it's taken by a domainer who will likely want £xxx-£xxxx .... why would you even enquire about it if the .uk is available for just £20.

I will take my seat and wait for the abuse.... will add that I think Lee is spot on, and that some domainers can only see the case from their own perspective.

I'm not going to give abuse (indeed it seems to me that there are a number on here simply trying to goad portfolio owners) but just reiterate that nominet set out their stall many years ago - they decided against .uk in favour of .co.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk etc. That system has worked perfectly well and been successful. Now I wouldn't mind if Nominet had indicated from the start that they frowned upon domain trading, auctions, parked domains etc but they actively encouraged it. Their executives attended conferences around the world talking up .co.uk to portfolio owners. They even arranged their own .co.uk auction raising over £3m with large numbers of those auctioned domains going to portfolio owners who would obviously be looking to hold them in their portfolio. So I believe, with very good reasoning, that nominet should honour their commitment to .co.uk and to domain investors who believed them when they told us that .co.uk would be a good investment.

Finally, remember that this forum was set up by .co.uk domain owners for domain owners - so show a little bit of respect. It was set up to champion .co.uk domains. Not surprisingly there are a lot of .co.uk portfolio owners on here who are anxious about nominet's surprise U-turn. It seems to me that they are behaving impeccably even though they stand to lose tens, possibly hundreds of thousands - maybe millions for the largest portfolios. Money that will simply be diverted to nominet's coffers and filter down into pay and benefits for nominet staff. Yes some of you newbies might make some money - but the high reg fees and the problem of competing .co.uk and .uk extensions running side by side will eat away at much of any value.

 

[websaway]

I'm also in the camp that welcomes the change.

In the ideal world, I think that people should only be able to purchase names if they actually intend on developing them at some point. If someone has owned a name for 5+ years and still shown absolutely no signs of doing anything with it, it should be taken off them.

Whilst this .uk introduction won't achieve the kind of thing I would like to see implemented and whilst I realise that such a system would be impossible to implement.... it may force some of the large portfolio owners to consolidate their portfolios due to increased costs. I think they will have to. If these .uks do go ahead at £20, portfolio holders in the thousands will probably only be able to justify a relatively small number.

I predict this will affect end user sales....

Lets say BusinessX wants to buy SomeAverageName.co.uk ..... and it's taken by a domainer who will likely want £xxx-£xxxx .... why would you even enquire about it if the .uk is available for just £20.

I will take my seat and wait for the abuse.... will add that I think Lee is spot on, and that some domainers can only see the case from their own perspective.

You won't get abuse from me ever, but anyway I think this is a good honest post.
The only thing I would say is if you look closely at your example you might look at it differently.
Some average name .co.uk has probably got various permutations which could mean the same thing or create the same massage and if the portfolio owner did not register the dot uk then it probably is not worth £20 to him, and will therefore not be worth £20 for someone to register when there is a co.uk in direct competition ( except for a newbie who has no experience of values ).
This is not as easy as some people think and it would undermine the whole uk namespace, and that's what particularly bothers me.

I agree that where people have a vested interest then their opinions can and often are biased towards their own interests. Who's opinion though would you rely on if you wanted to know about the housing market, someone who had been in the property business for a lifetime or a first time buyer, have a think about it.

 

[Sound]

You won't get abuse from me ever, but anyway I think this is a good honest post.
The only thing I would say is if you look closely at your example you might look at it differently.
Some average name .co.uk has probably got various permutations which could mean the same thing or create the same massage and if the portfolio owner did not register the dot uk then it probably is not worth £20 to him, and will therefore not be worth £20 for someone to register when there is a co.uk in direct competition ( except for a newbie who has no experience of values ).
This is not as easy as some people think and it would undermine the whole uk namespace, and that's what particularly bothers me.

I agree that where people have a vested interest then their opinions can and often are biased towards their own interests. Who's opinion though would you rely on if you wanted to know about the housing market, someone who had been in the property business for a lifetime or a first time buyer, have a think about it.

It has already been shown how to acquire premium domains at the last two letter auction that Nominet run.

This has nothing to do with people that are new to the industry.

I believe Nominet are wrong to introduce .uk but if they carry on and push it though it will not stop me searching to add the premium domains that are going to be available to me and others.

Unfortunately large portfolio owners business plans didn't allow for what Nominet are planning and this will change the domain landscape.

 

[websaway]

It has already been shown how to acquire premium domains at the last two letter auction that Nominet run.

This has nothing to do with people that are new to the industry.

I believe Nominet are wrong to introduce .uk but if they carry on and push it though it will not stop me searching to add the premium domains that are going to be available to me and others.

Unfortunately large portfolio owners business plans didn't allow for what Nominet are planning and this will change the domain landscape.

No, nothing wrong with your approach to taking advantage of a situation should it arise.
Can't see where it's remotely similar to the two letter auctions though.

 

[foz]

If .uk was free to register tomorrow, it would still take sometime for demand to pick up in the aftermarket, my estimate 3-4 years. At first most would be defensive registrations.

 

[lee]

I am neither trying to goad anyone, nor am I new to the domain game. What I realised early on was that holding a large portfolio in a highly volatile market such as domain names was financial madness. So, I quickly learnt to liquidate my holdings on a regular basis and use the profits to pay off my mortgage.

Am I excited about the chance to obtain desired names that would otherwise been out of my reach? Yes. Very much so.

Do I feel sorry for holders of large portfolios of .co.uk domains that may (or may not) have to either pay large fees to obtain the .uk equivalent OR see their holdings diluted to a fraction of today's valuation? No. Not at all. Its a jungle out there and we all need to look after number 1.

I will not proactively lobby Nominet to proceed with .uk. They would have no interest in me and I have no interest in doing so but if it does go through, I will fill my boots and it hopefully will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[lee]

Lee, I totally agree with everything you say but I think your heads in the clouds if you think you're getting anything premium. Not sure if you took the time to read what Nominet proposed last time but every stage other than the final one involved an auction and that will play to the wealthy portfolio holders.

There will be opportunities because of the reasons pointed out by people like Namelot and Sound but it's not going to be the goldrush that some are predicting, certainly not unless you have a trademark and/or pots of money.

If there are premium names available, I will be happy, however I will be shooting slightly lower and have already been collating lists based on domainers holdings, their sales patterns, the tone of their posts on Acorns and anything else available in the public domain to give me an edge.

Its not scientific but it doesn't hurt to do a little homework.

 

[RobM]

If someone has owned a name for 5+ years and still shown absolutely no signs of doing anything with it, it should be taken off them.

Replace the word 'name' with 'property' or 'boat' and then tell me what's wildly wrong with the statement.