Deleting.co.uk RIP

[rob]

2. Publishing the number of days suspended (using renewal date from the DAC)

The renewal date is the 2nd date in the data "2006-07-30" - this date was not stored however the number of days from that date to todays date was and republished.

3. Publishing the TAGs on the "who got what" pages (taken from the DAC)

Would Nominet be in favour of deleting if it had just the drops rather than the 'who got what' section?

Interesting as it is almost like Nominet do not want a resource showing that dropcatching occurs in .UK .

I think the PRSS that Nominet operate is a far greater abuse of domain data. At a touch of a button a competitor, or simply a malicious person can quite legitimately download and store details of your entire domain portfolio.

I agree with this, and I hope that they sharpen up the PRSS monitoring!

I'd speculate that those who had motives and interest to shut down deleting would fit to the following 'catcher' description:

I am not convinced it is a catcher mainly due to the timing of the 'complaint' in the context of Andrews recent erm... popularity!

let nominet come clean and tell andrew who made the complaint.

I would be all for this - would be very very interesting

 

[mattonline]

http://www.nic.uk/intelligence/statistics/renewals/

will be interesting to see if those fiqures start falling next month.....

 

[singlefile]

It says: "You should be aware that, in the UK, this is a criminal offence".

In these days of wheelie bin fines, congestion charges etc just "existing" in the UK is a criminal offence ... it's a cnut of a country.

 

[singlefile]

I think the PRSS that Nominet operate is a far greater abuse of domain data. At a touch of a button a competitor, or simply a malicious person can quite legitimately download and store details of your entire domain portfolio. Nominet never asked our company for permission to publish our confidential information in this way and it is obvious that the data could be used to maliciously target your domains (scam emails, bids, etc). Yet Nominet went out of their way to make the PRSS available despite the real threat to our businesses. They say:

Public Register Search Service
Introduction

The Public Register Search Service (PRSS) allows you to search the register for domain names that are registered to a particular legal entity and/or of a similar name. The PRSS is accessible via a web interface and allows you to search using wildcards. A maximum of 21,000 results can be viewed per week. These results can be viewed in batches.

You can store regular searches as favourites and a history is kept of all searches for quick and easy access

21,000 results a week! So hundreds of thousands of domains theoretically.
So why the different attitudes to data. Andrew's list was free wheras the PRSS generates £400 to Nominet for every subscriber. Andrew's list was a favourite of small internet businesses and individuals wheras Nominet's PRSS is a favourite of sizeable law firms and corporations. Enough said.

So if you're going to be sensitive about data Nominet, then you had better shut down your PRSS immediately. And then do the decent thing and tell Andrew the identity of the complainant. If the complainant asked for anonymity then you shouldn't have even considered the complaint.

Hear! Hear!

 

[singlefile]

Naiive question from a perpetual cynic:

Could Nominet be planning a similar kind of service to that which was on offer from "Deleting," perhaps fee-based[?] and therefore, to maximise income [not "profits" of course] they have had to cut the competition to ribbons beforehand?

 

[Admin]

What I don't understand is why they only acted after a complaint. Surely if the site was so illegal they would have acted before?

So is it a case of it was OK as long as no-one complained about it?

They must have known of it's existence, just from its popularity on this site if nothing else.

Admin

 

[rob]

further to this

I'd speculate that those who had motives and interest to shut down deleting would fit to the following 'catcher' description:

since jay daley stated that over 50% of the complaints about other domainers come from domainers themselves, perhaps it is time to ask Nominet to make the complainants known.

It would certainly quash speculation on if it is a political or competative move either from inside Nominet or from a third party.

 

[weycresto]

Andrew

Sorry to hear about your site. I didn't use the site a lot but picked up a few domains from it.

Can't you just simplify the data, and just produce a simply list like this of daily drops?

http://www.pool.com/viewlist.aspx?ia=DomainsDeletingToday

It would be ridiculous if you could create a site deleting/drop data for .com's etc but not co.uk

 

[Whois-Search]

Andrew

Sorry to hear about your site. I didn't use the site a lot but picked up a few domains from it.

Can't you just simplify the data, and just produce a simply list like this of daily drops?

http://www.pool.com/viewlist.aspx?ia=DomainsDeletingToday

It would be ridiculous if you could create a site deleting/drop data for .com's etc but not co.uk

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your post and support.

In theory I was doing less than Pool.com are doing on that link. The domains on that link are derived from the dot com zone file and there isn't one for .uk. Even though Nominet are suggesting in their complaint replies I some how copied their database!

IMO Pool's Deletion Date which is 6 days added to the last updated date - is the same as my number of days suspended was - when it gets to 92 or 99 it drops.

Just wish I hadn't done that "who got what" page now even though I still believe it was insubstantial.

Andrew

 

[retired_member6]

Just wish I hadn't done that "who got what" page now even though I still believe it was insubstantial.

Well it's far from over and you don't need a solicitor, just write a letter stating the terms they've broken wholesale and tell them to start all over again or at least get back to the table and allow you the chance to have your say as per the contract.

There must be a committee, like the PAB that you can lobby because they've broken their own rules or start a complaint using the complaints proceadure, either way you have a way back in. juts because you broke a little rule and show tag holder name, doesn't mean they can break the terms of a contract as well.

Cheers
Lee

 

[Whois-Search]

Where can I get these printed cheap?

 

[Paullas]

http://www.spreadshirt.net

 

[retired_member11]

www.printshop.co.uk

 

[retired_member11]

further to this



since jay daley stated that over 50% of the complaints about other domainers come from domainers themselves, perhaps it is time to ask Nominet to make the complainants known.

It would certainly quash speculation on if it is a political or competative move either from inside Nominet or from a third party.

Get a court order forcing Nom to disclose the source of the complaint.

 

[rob]

Get a court order forcing Nom to disclose the source of the complaint.

excellent idea!

That should set a precedent I am sure few others on this forum would like to know who has been making idiotic complaints in the past

 

[mxm]

Deleting.co.uk - about to become a private DNr's club... we hope!!

Andy...

What a shame hey fella... all those years of fun and coffee... down the pan in hours... thanks for all you did... we have made a few bucks out of it! So if you need a helping hand... we know a good IP lawyer...

The information you provided was gracefully accepted and used to propel many DN noobs into a career that, in some ways changed their whole earning capabilities! A single, generic DN could sell and has, for a normal months wages... this is a part of your free service that actually made the web fun again.

Personally and in Business, we have benefited from DN's for over 20 years... the actual support raised here in less than 3 days for your closure is greater than we have seen in the industry for a long, long time... the comments made to date in this thread, however may help or hinder the actual process of getting a similar service running again.

Lee - you are a star, your support for the cause is great and no doubt, finances in hand, you would be able to provide great positive vibes, to bring back the service... however "DN DC" is a dark art, in some respects a bit like a secret members club that always had free open memberships to anyone that looked hard enough and offered the "Normal Joe" a route out of a dull, online existence, with lots of $ perks... but chill, slow the fire threads and opinions of other DNr's down... EDWIN is a very experienced fish and personal dispute and character references will not help the cause...

As the thread states... Closer to home... it was not until a few "other, not so well known world DNr's and their services, started to rip and extract "Andys" site that the problems started... forget nomination to PAB and who signed what to declare the service void... it is the fact that "others" NOT in the industry have seen an income revenue, that was not tapped... it will be now!

As luck would have it... we do not have the time (we made so much from DN DC!) to get too involved in an all out legal battle with Nic but we do have a few friends in the right places... 2 of which are looking into how Andys complaint has been handled...

We can only suggest that everyone remains calm... the PRESS and the PUBLICITY around this matter will HARM and DILUTE a lot of peoples new or existing careers in the DN industry... WHY? well if EVERYONE knows how or what is involved in the process and where the information is gathered... it will not be a career for anyone because the same people will know the same things...

A private action, involving some larger players in the DN industry, with a few "meetings" will help no end... who you know and how they respond to "Everyone knowing how they made their millions!" will put a lot of people off supporting this action... E.G we have several 000,000 DN's held, if news of Nics actions, against Andy spreads the value of the DN's will plummet as others will know how and what to do to acquire DN's...

We know some will agree with our comments, some will not, we are not posting this to be flamed, we and at least 7 other "MULTIPLE" dac runners have approached Nic in the background to have a few questions answered...

If anyone REALLY wants to help get deleting.co.uk back online with a SIMILAR service then plan your action... talk to the industry players (not the press/public/non interested parties) email those in the DN know... NOT those that would LOVE to know!

We are sorry for your loss Andy and if our "extensive lists gathered from information available in the public domain" ever since you started are now "unusable" it will be interesting to see how other providers of a similar service to your own, via memberships, through DAC and TAG uk users accounts (some using the naughty... multiple ip access route) will be treated...

If seems one of the above may be using some "public domain" information to "mirror" your service.. BUT WITHOUT THE BITS Nic told you off about as we speak...

 

[Whois-Search]

MXM who ever you are

Thanks for signing up to the forum to say that.

Your support and reasonable advice is very much appreciated.

Post Disclaimer: I am not endorsing what he says above and if anyone wants to go down that road they do it at their own risk. I can't and won't be joining in.

Andrew

 

[retired_member6]

Lee...

Nice post and I hope whether insider or media get the right result in the end, re comments, I wasn't the only one to be miffed by them, I know who people are. Let's just hope through whatever means, that deleting returns or at the very least Nominet can deal with the staff internally and play by the rules and carry some common sense. If people are havin words and doing things behind the scenes then fair play, I haven't that advantage.

Good luck with it.

Cheers
Lee

 

[weycresto]

Can start digging this post up guys?

http://digg.com/tech_news/Nominet_Pull_The_Plug_On_Deleting_co_uk

 

[Whois-Search]

Thanks Paul for digging that it is a very fair article.