Cheapskates, sale flooders and others...

[scooter]

10 of the top sales posters* posted a total of 1,425 sales threads in the last year! That's an average of 3.9 sales threads/day

But you didn't finish your equation. You forgot to devide the number of daily posts (3.9) by the amount of posters you highlight (10)

So that equates to 0.3 = 1 new sales post per poster every 3 days.

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A) you keep posting the same junk
From what I can see, it is not the same names being reposted all the time. It's the opposite. ..... Some mans junk is another mans gold.

B) you're selling enough to pay to upgrade to EXCLUSIVE
Have you done your homework on how many sales there has been? If not, then how do you know they are selling?


cm1975 also makes a very valid point.
Some people will make more profit from the sale of one domain on AD, than some of us make in a year.


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[scooter]

If you want to do the actual maths ....

Go through the 1425 sales posts and get the true sales volume. (£)
Now count up the total amount of names for sale within the sales threads and deduct the cost of registering. (min 1425 x £6 = £8550 but as more than 1 name is in a lot of the sales threads it will be a lot more)

Then devide the lot by 10. That will give you a true profit figure. I bet you it is not even £500 per head.

So this then comes back to cm1975's post.
Some people will make more profit from the sale of one domain on AD, than some of us make in a year


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[foz]

Or some people on here are discovering just how much time they're wasting wading through the sales threads started by a few!

With the ones your'e not happy to go through, add them to your ignore list.

I was exclusive but let it expire, gives no trustworthiness (apparently to one member). Maybe interested again if it represents "trusted member" status. If they step out of line they loose it regardless of the monetary value to admin.

Folk that contribute are adding value.

 

[Whibs]

As a newbee i have to agree in principal with Edwin. Edwin brings to light a valid issue without blatantly pointing the finger.

I also realise that those posting sales are prominently looking for a quick flip and inevitably sell far fewer than their actual posts. But surely if you sell a domain via the forum you have a duty to give back.

I read the posts by Dale, i looked into the cost and vowed that as soon as i make the money via this forum i will pay for membership, not because i sold something via this forum but because what i learn here has a far greater value than £100. In fact in the 50 or so posts from me only one was a sales post, which did not sell But on based on what i have gained in direct education it is worth many more times the membership value.

I am working on a project that i hope will ensure that i do gain a consistent revenue stream, if this is the case it will be because of those that have advised me and not from what i have bought or sold, for that i am happy to pay membership, and not because that membership gives me more options but because i am grateful for the ability to learn and develop.

I think the issue is simply in the amount, instead of £100 a year, why not £1 or £0.50p per sale post, admin gets a return, sellers get the opportunity and are much more aware of posting crap as well as repeatedly re posting the same domains.

 

[Whibs]

As a newbee i have to agree in principal with Edwin. Edwin brings to light a valid issue without blatantly pointing the finger.

I also realise that those posting sales are prominently looking for a quick flip and inevitably sell far fewer than their actual posts. But surely if you sell a domain via the forum you have a duty to give back.

I read the posts by Dale, i looked into the cost and vowed that as soon as i make the money via this forum i will pay for membership, not because i sold something via this forum but because what i learn here has a far greater value than £100. In fact in the 50 or so posts from me only one was a sales post, which did not sell But on based on what i have gained in direct education it is worth many more times the membership value.

I am working on a project that i hope will ensure that i do gain a consistent revenue stream, if this is the case it will be because of those that have advised me and not from what i have bought or sold, for that i am happy to pay membership, and not because that membership gives me more options but because i am grateful for the ability to learn and develop.

I think the issue is simply in the amount, instead of £100 a year, why not £1 or £0.50p per sale post, admin gets a return, sellers get the opportunity and are much more aware of posting crap as well as repeatedly re posting the same domains.

Domainlore at least the payment method means the cost filters a lot of crap.

If one were a member on Acorn they could post as much crap as they wanted, with out the fixed fee;-)

 

[Edwin]

I think the issue is simply in the amount, instead of £100 a year, why not £1 or £0.50p per sale post, admin gets a return, sellers get the opportunity and are much more aware of posting crap as well as repeatedly re posting the same domains.

That's an interesting idea. It would be cheaper than EXCLUSIVE membership for probably 99% of sellers, even at £1/sales thread, but you're right that it would also have knock-on benefits.

 

[cm1975]

I read the posts by Dale, i looked into the cost and vowed that as soon as i make the money via this forum i will pay for membership, not because i sold something via this forum but because what i learn here has a far greater value than £100. In fact in the 50 or so posts from me only one was a sales post, which did not sell But on based on what i have gained in direct education it is worth many more times the membership value.

A very valid point.

Just thinking about this further, but should Acorn be adopting a multi-tiered system like some other domain forums, whereby you have to pay varying amounts to be a Gold/Silver/Bronze member and with that you get the ability to post sales in different sections?

Bronze @ £25 -> Bargain Basement up to £50
Silver @ £50 -> Domains Wanted section & Fixed Price between £50 - £500
Gold @ £100 -> Offers Over section & Fixed Price over £500

I've not taken enough interest in these other domain forums to see if this would work. You might even want to put in a Platinum section for people looking for over £10,000 or thereabouts.

There would be two main benefits to this - 1. It provides for the upkeep of the forum and gets people putting their hands in their pockets. 2. It would provide some form of barrier to prevent people from posting a handful of poorer domains, then disappearing.

 

[scooter]

As a newbee i have to agree in principal with Edwin. Edwin brings to light a valid issue without blatantly pointing the finger.

But Edwins reasoning is flawed. He has not bothered to check the same posters to see how many of them also contribute to the same forum he has having a pop at them. I think you will find it will be ALL of them and i personally feel that one sales post every 3 days is nothing.

If you feel you want to give money, just press the "donate" button on the front page any time yuu want. That is what it is there for.

If Edwins main concern is that Admin is not making enough money, maybe it is Admins business plan for the forum that needs changed. If i had a spare £100 I would be spending it on my family, not on Admin. However, i would happily spend £10 per annum to be able to post in the sales forum. I'm sure you would get at least another 800 people per annum that would do likewise. I also bet that would be most likely £6000 more than what admin makes from "exclusives" per annum at present.

I honestly have no desire to ever be exclusive.


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[aZooZa]

Here's another way to get exposure for your sales, and to allow admin a very reasonable commission:

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/forum-news-feedback/90825-domains-sale.html

 

[cm1975]

If Edwins main concern is that Admin is not making enough money, maybe it is Admins business plan for the forum that needs changed.

I don't believe that Admin is in it for the money. Edwin and Dale know this and they are just wanting to see him rewarded for the great service he is providing.

I sometimes think it's easy to forget about the time and effort some people put in behind the scenes and that's before you even consider hosting costs etc.

 

[Whibs]

Here's another way to get exposure for your sales, and to allow admin a very reasonable commission:

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/forum-news-feedback/90825-domains-sale.html

I would use this if i did not need to accept a BIN,

 

[aZooZa]

Forums are notoriously difficult to monetise. I think it's probably fair to say that without Acorn, I wouldn't have a profitable business and a fantastic client base. Given that Acorn is the only real venue for .uk 'domainers', I do feel that folk should give back as best they can. As has been discussed, and contrary to a previous thread of mine, there are many ways to do this.

We're lucky that perhaps admin is as philanthropic as he appears to be, but I wouldn't like him to decide that running this forum was too financially punitive. Where would we all be then?

Looking at the posts in this thread it appears that there's a general and substantial agreement that earners would like to contribute; some do it with very useful posts, and others by 'exclusive' subscriptions etc.

I suppose much of this depends on the members' business models. Although I 'mess around' with a useless personal domain portfolio, my main business as a service provider in this market has been built entirely on the back of Acorn, and for that I am very grateful to admin and of course others here.

I'm a bit of a maverick as many of you know, but I always play fair in business.

 

[Brassneck]

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Hate to say it, but I will! If you've posted 40, 50, 100, more sales threads in the last year, then either
A) you keep posting the same junk - STOP IT, we're sick of seeing it!
B) you're selling enough to pay to upgrade to EXCLUSIVE - DO IT, there's no excuse!

Edwin

I was wondering about what really motivated you to post this.

Is it genuinely a concern for Admin's bank balance (B) or is it because somehow you think that the presence of such posts undermines the ability of those targeting top prices for their domains to achieve them?

Stephen.

 

[Edwin]

I was wondering about what really motivated you to post this.

Is it genuinely a concern for Admin's bank balance (B) or is it because somehow you think that the presence of such posts undermines the ability of those targeting top prices for their domains to achieve them?

No (hidden) ulterior motive.

It has nothing to do with achieving good prices for domains. Even though the sales on Acorn seem to have died down, we've received more direct end-user enquiries recently than for MANY months.

Bottom line: The real world doesn't know or care about Acorn (it's hard enough for them to even "understand" domains in general!)

 

[cm1975]

Edwin

I was wondering about what really motivated you to post this.

Is it genuinely a concern for Admin's bank balance (B) or is it because somehow you think that the presence of such posts undermines the ability of those targeting top prices for their domains to achieve them?

Stephen.

I believe Edwin's motivation is the same as it always is. It's to get Acorn functioning in a more business like manner. That means getting rid of many posts and threads that add little to the overall value of the forum. Whether that's people bumping a low value name 50 times, or people posting the low value name in the first place.

(Having just read his post above, then I could be wrong! )

If you look at the very low prices that some decent domains are going for on here, then there must be something wrong! By boosting the quality of the forum content, then you would hope to raise the overall prices of the domains posted in it.

 

[Brassneck]

If you look at the very low prices that some decent domains are going for on here, then there must be something wrong! By boosting the quality of the forum content, then you would hope to raise the overall prices of the domains posted in it.

Or maybe that is all the domains are worth. If they are so cheap, why aren't the seriously funded domainers buying them all up?

 

[Edwin]

Or maybe that is all the domains are worth. If they are so cheap, why aren't the seriously funded domains buying them all up?

Can't speak for anyone else, but we've stopped buying on the aftermarket (I've talked about the "incremental change" problem already on other threads).

 

[cm1975]

Can't speak for anyone else, but we've stopped buying on the aftermarket (I've talked about the "incremental change" problem already on other threads).

Edwin, I don't think you're the only one. I think a few people are no longer visiting the forum and some have given up wading through the poor domains to find the better stuff.

With fewer buyers in a small marketplace, you then have an oversupply, which can only drive down prices. It's basis principles of supply and demand.

It doesn't mean the domains are worth any less in the big world, it just means Acorn is perhaps not the best place to maximise value.

 

[domainseller200]

Or maybe that is all the domains are worth. If they are so cheap, why aren't the seriously funded domainers buying them all up?

Because the majority are crap and not quality names for one reason or another. Personally NOTHING stops me buying a domain if I think it is

A). A good domain which will hold it's asking price value (at the very least)
B). Not priced stupidly in the first place

That combination of the two, is usually why a name sells on acorn to other domainers.

And I think this is the same for the majority of the other "seriously funded buyers" also.

Naturally there are other reasons people are holding back too - landrush being one of them.

 

[brum]

hey guys ,

one of acorns core USP's is the fact that it has domains posted for sale at domaineer prices ... if you take that away the forum would die out overtime everyone wants a bargain tell me who doesn't look at the sales threads to see if something catches their eye ???

yes it is anoying when the same crappy domain gets bumped and bumped ... but one of the things is that it is so difficult to price domains ... what is a domain really worth i've seen domains sold to end users for 1000's that would not get £10 on acorn so it really is a difficult one .

maybe we should stop people posting the same domains unless there is a reduction of 50% from the last posted price if it has been less than 3 months...

that should get the quality of the domains up