Wanted: Domain Appraisal Appraisal - EnjoyGreece.co.uk

[retired_member34]

Yet when I asked for a similar assessment of visitunitedkingdom.co.uk , I was shot down by hordes of nit-picking regular contributors to this forum and the thread was curtailed !!

If Greece is GOOD..........how come United Kingdom is BAD??? Most contributors LIVE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM.......not Greece!!

Answers on a postcard , please !! Euros or Sterling stamps !!

Apologies to Steve for going off topic. But in answer to your question RedKite, as you know visitcountryname domains do have value to end users, normally to official tourist boards who have deep pockets.

However, there is a flaw in applying this to visitunitedkingdom.co.uk. A .co.uk is really only useful if the end users of the website are in the UK. Hence the body in California buying visitcalifornia.co.uk from you, to market California to UK residents. Visitgreece.co.uk would be used to market Greece to UK residents.

If you are marketing the UK, Great Britain, whatever you want to call it to overseas residents, you need a cctld from the country where the visitors are coming from, or a .com. Hence visitbritain.com - where you select the country you are from and are redirected to the cctld, for example visitbritain.fr if you are from France.

Visitunitedkingdom.co.uk would be useful to marketing the UK to UK residents who wanted to "visit" the UK. Hence the problem. a UK resident might want to visit cornwall (or Sheffield!), but not the UK.

I'm not saying it has no value, but much much less than your other non-hyphenated visitcountryname domains.

Hopefully you will take this in the spirit it is intended, applying the logic you requested to a domain valuation, and will not just EMPHASISE where I am obviously deluded.

Apologies to Steve again, nice domain to be developed I would say.

 

[Redkite]

Firestars,
What's the problem?
By the way, just looked at your Isle of Wight site. Tidy looking tourism site.
Does it get a lot of traffic?
Historically , you can add some info that even the Isle of Wight authorities have got wrong.
A lot of people do not know that Early Welsh......known as "British " or "Brittonic " was the language of most of Britain for many centuries , long before the Romans or the English and Scots arrived.
Early Welsh/British was spoken in what is NOW England and Scotland from at least 600BC . Hence, in England, Dover comes from Dyfr , Welsh for water; Malvern is "moel fryn" or "bare hill" ; Morecambe is "mor cam" or "curved sea" . The oldest existing Welsh poetry is "Y Gododdin" by Aneirin , composed in the Welsh-speaking kingdom of Gododdin [ Votadini to the Romans ] around Din Eidin , now Edinburgh circa AD 600. The Romans arrived in Britain both sides of AD 1 , whilst the English were still in North Germany and the Scots in Ireland. When Hadrian built his Wall......he split Welsh speaker from Welsh speaker. Glasgow is Welsh for "green hollow" ..from Glas Gau ; Perth is Welsh for Hedge or thicket; Lanark is from Llannerch ...meaning "glade" ; Avon is Afon...Welsh for "river" etc.

The Romans left Britain in AD410, leaving it open to invasion by the Germanic tribes....known as Angles , Saxons, Jutes and Friesians [ later the English ] and the Scotti, or Scots, who were Irish raiders from Ulster.
The Scots became the Highlanders...gaelic/Irish speakers of Q Celtic. Whereas the Welsh spoke BRITISH or P Celtic. Hence KINTYRE is "headland" in the Gaelic q Celtic form and PENTIR in the Welsh form.Hence PENNINES . PEN is TOP or HEAD.

The AngloSaxons called the BRITISH.......WEALAS or WELISCH ...meaning "Romanised foreigners" in German.
From this comes Wales...meaning the people...the Romanised foreigners who did not speak their Germanic/English language ; Wallasey [island of the Welsh] ; Walton...from Weal tun...."town of the Welsh [ie the Welsh speaking enclaves of what LATER became England; Corn Wall or Cornwealas...the "Welsh of the corn".. ie horn/peninsula "

The last Welsh speaking part of northern england was CUMBRIA....like CYMRU [ Welsh for Wales] it stms from CUMBROGI , meaning "compatriots" . Probably compatriots of Rome , because the leaders had been Roman citizens for 400 years before the English arrived in Britain circa 420 to 450 AD.
Welsh was spoken in Ystrad Clud or Strathclyde until circa 1200. William wallace was the great grandson of Richard Walays ....ie Richard the Welshman. Wallace, Walsh and Waugh all mean "Welsh".

Now the Romans called Isle of Wight VECTIS [ pronounced WECTIS] from the existing Old Welsh/Brittonic name. The early Welsh historian , Nennius later calls it Ynys Gweith.......giving Wight. GWEITH is the Old Welsh for BATTLE . So Ynys Gweith was "the island of battle".
That makes sense , because to the British/Welsh , most invaders crossing the channel from Gaul [ France] would land on the Isle of Wight first to establish a foothold against less opposition , then launch gathered troops onto the mainland later...where there would be more opposition.
Hence, there must have been battles galore on Ynys Gweith ......Isle of Wight......Island of battles!!
Your tourist board thinks Wight means "Raised". Nonsense in my opinion. Why would Nennius call it "Gweith" before the English even got there? The "W" in Brittonnic became "GW" in Welsh very generally anyway .

 

[Redkite]

Come ! Come ! Rob Mal,
There are 60 million people in the UK. Are you saying that visitunitedkingdom.co.uk does not have immense value to them?
If a man ......not a tourist board....wanted to set up a British web-site for British people going on coach tours to Gwynedd, Cardiff, Perth, Cumbria , Norfolk, Ludlow, Belfast , Edinburgh , Devon etc etc.............what BETTER could he call it than visitunitedkingdom.co.uk ???
Have you even thought of that?

What else do you suggest for a GENERAL UK web-site VISITING all of the UK? I'm afraid that your logic is deeply flawed. Are you telling me that NO-ONE does pan-Britain holidays from Britain ?? ALL the coach companies for starters!! What about UK hotel chain owners? What about all sorts of companies? The UK MARKET .....for UK TRAVELLERS ....is worth hundreds of millions of pounds per annum !!

Who owns visitbritain.co.uk ? Is that no good either??

You talk about "end users" being official bodies. Sure, most of the official bodies have grabbed Visit names.........but there is NO LAW stopping any individual or company from doing so.

Besides. If you put "visit dubai " into Google.COM......why is my "visit-dubai.co.uk " in 2nd or 3rd on the front page .
Why do my stats on Statcounter prove that people in France, India, Australia , Italy , Brazil, Germany........ are finding my Visit-dubai.CO.UK on their national Googles....very easily...at the top?

 

[Redkite]

Now then Robmal,
I have just checked to ensure I was right. Visitbritain.co.uk is also the British Tourist Authority, just like visitbritain.com.

So that knocks your argument on the head. You are not telling me that a NATIONAL site does not know what it is doing! Visitunitedkingdom.co.uk is exactly the same.........logically.....as visitbritain.co.uk !!

The visitunitedkingdom.co.uk is an even better domain in many ways, because Britain does not include Northern Ireland , whereas United Kingdom does.
Maybe I need an Ulster Protestant with an UK tourism business!!!

This country is OFFICIALLY........."The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland " , because the island of Ireland is not part of Britain, but is part of the "British Isles" archipelago , geographically speaking.

By the way, I have all the Visit British Isles domains as well.

There is a fantastic opportunity with all these domains to construct top-notch well named UK/British Isles web-sites.

 

[Redkite]

Just checked my Statcounter.com, RobMal.

Someone from Google.ae [ arab Emirates] put "diesel bur juman " [ Diesel a shop in Bur juman Mall] and found my visit-dubai.co.uk TOP...on Google.ae!!

But this one's a beaut.

Someone in Pakistan put "visit dubai from UK" into Google Pakistan.


There are 287,000 references.........and my Visit-dubai.co.uk is TOP .........and Acorndomains.co.uk ......with my reference threads to visit dubai is SECOND ALREADY!!

That is QUICK. I only went on to acorn domains a few days ago . Yet a man from Pakistan entering Google Pakistan has got that result !!
Surprising!
So you see Rob mal, the . CO.UK has shown up trumps several thousand miles away!!

 

[retired_member34]

and will not just EMPHASISE where I am obviously deluded.

Ah well, never mind, I did try.

Apologies again Steve for hijacking the thread.

 

[rob]

Thread topic: Appraisal - EnjoyGreece.co.uk

Lets stick to that eh

 

[CJB]

It's a nice name and an increasing number of tourist boards do seem to be using this prefix enjoyengland, enjoygower etc. They do usually have both the co.uk and the .com though.

Without enjoygreece.com I think £xxx would be a good sale.

I do prefer it to visit-greece.co.uk anyhow.

 

[stevef1fan]

Thanks for all your replies. All very informative.

Wow, this thread is taking on a life of it's own..

So it seems the general consensus is low £xxx to an end user. Perhaps more if I get lucky. A nicely developed site would only add to this.

'Enjoy' is good, 'Visit' is great, 'visit-' - well I won't open that can of worms again or this thread will never 'de-bump' itself to give other threads more prominence on the list.

Greece is certainly a place that I've enjoyed greatly over the years - the food, the weather, the people - 'Enjoy' is certainly a word that springs to mind in this instance so I'd hope this relevance in other people's minds would only add to the value. I think I might keep it though !

Oh well, thanks again for all your thoughts.

Red Kite, Cardigan Island really does look an amazing place. I should imagine it's educating an awful lot of people too. Sounds like all that hard work is worth it. I'll call in if I'm ever out that way, though I might not identify myself in case you sling me off the cliff for my chip van comments !

Cheers,


Steve.


Ps. I've also got visitcostadelsol.co.uk - What an eyesore of a domain name !
- Ding, Ding - Round 7 !!