Wanted: Domain Appraisal .app .build .ltd .live etc???

[jimmc]

Hi All,

Whats the general view on the new names 1&1 started rolling out pre-register. Or where can I find any chat on this?

 

[websaway]

Hi All,

Whats the general view on the new names 1&1 started rolling out pre-register. Or where can I find any chat on this?

Why would they be any more attractive than info and biz ?

that for me is where the question lies.

Both these extensions had a fairly high registration rate but low development and low resale activity and value.

 

[jimmc]

Yeah you're right to an extent but some I could see might have real value.

For instance if you had bingo.house or auction.house or world.cruise or house.build or bridging.loan - things like that?

 

[Edwin]

I see them as completely worth.less

There are 700 new extensions coming in the next year or two. 700. Read that again: 700.

Bear in mind that there are less than 20 global, open TLDs in existence right now, and most of those haven't made any kind of impact in the market despite having 8-12 years in which to do so (and practically no other competition).

Now imagine that 35x as many TLD flood in over the next year or so, each one claiming it's the "must have" extension. What's the impact/value of any one particular domain name in any one of this insane flood of new GTLD? As close to zero as to be zero, once you've finished rounding it down.

Of course 1&1 and the other registrars profess their love for the new GTLD very loudly and publicly, because it's 700 new revenue streams in the form of 700 potential lots of registration/renewal fees. But just because they're pushing them harder than hard, doesn't make them worth anything. You HAVE to see beyond the hype to the real situation, which is as I just outlined above.

Basically, the new GTLD launch is a massive con trick cooked up by the registries and their registrar partners to suck as much cash out of the domain industry as possible, very very quickly, before the market notices that the new GTLD are completely and utterly worthless.

The sad thing is that many of the people involved in the process have been in the domain industry for decades or longer, so they MUST be aware that they're selling hot air - so it's a very cynical, clinical, calculated money-grab designed to part as many fools from their money as possible, as fast as possible, regardless of the consequences to the "domain industry" as a whole. A real shock and awe, slash and burn strategy designed to enrich a very few at the expense of many.

Just like the global financial crisis of 2008 marked the point when the banks stopped being "financial institutions" and basically turned themselves into casinos, the new GTLD process is the domain industry's very own home-cooked crisis, where the gloves come off and it's just about the money money money with no thought of the collateral damage.

 

[jimmc]

Fair comment Edwin,

I have to agree with most of what you say, however I do believe there are some gems to be had, especially generics like those I mentioned - world.cruise for instance speaks for itself and could have great value to an end-user.

 

[Edwin]

I have to agree with most of what you say, however I do believe there are some gems to be had, especially generics like those I mentioned - world.cruise for instance speaks for itself and could have great value to an end-user.

It's your money to waste. I wouldn't register it if it cost 50p for 10 years.

 

[websaway]

Fair comment Edwin,

I have to agree with most of what you say, however I do believe there are some gems to be had, especially generics like those I mentioned - world.cruise for instance speaks for itself and could have great value to an end-user.

That's why it works.

 

[WalkinDude]

Few interesting points about all this. Can't find the link but the application and processing costs per ntld [unless I read it wrong] was in order of $5million

Now you got sell an awful lot of registrations to achieve this per nTLD if your selling at $10 each.

So Edwin says they are all worthless and Jim says well some defo worth something. And the answer is in the middle isn't it. That's why some of them are going for $199 per year reg etc, cos there simply won't be enough quality to justify more than a certain amount of registrations so they are charging more per registration.

The other mistake is to think each registration is about making money. I don't think it is. It's about identification. If you run Angie's Bar in New York, then it makes sense to have AngiesBar.NYC. It's no more than acquiring a memorable phone number. Just makes everything nice and neat doesn't it and may not have or even be expected to have much of an impact on revenue, well not in the traditional sense of going after domains.

 

[Edwin]

Few interesting points about all this. Can't find the link but the application and processing costs per ntld [unless I read it wrong] was in order of $5million

You did read it wrong. It was estimated to be about $500,000 when you include the application fees, the financial guarantees you had to provide, the legal structures you had to create etc. Still a lot of money, but an order of magnitude less than your figure (which moves the "break even" point for registrIES way way down compared to where it would have been were it really $5 million!)

 

[Edwin]

The other mistake is to think each registration is about making money. I don't think it is. It's about identification. If you run Angie's Bar in New York, then it makes sense to have AngiesBar.NYC. It's no more than acquiring a memorable phone number. Just makes everything nice and neat doesn't it and may not have or even be expected to have much of an impact on revenue, well not in the traditional sense of going after domains.

And every day between now and forever you're going to have to explain to patrons and potential customers that yes, AngiesBar.nyc really IS a URL! And that "explanation" has a real cost, both financially and in terms of time/effort/credibility.

 

[WalkinDude]

I can conceive of small businesses out there who want a very limited online scope yes. AngieBar.NYC for an NYC Bar is going to superior to AngieBarNYC.com/AngieBarNewYork.com yes imho. Maybe not straight away but eventually.

More and more i see the domain sphere as entropic. Good domains resist the entropic nature of the overall system. They bring order. They are the ones that have value. They cannot be easily mimicked without looking stupid.

Now you see AngieBarNYC.com can be attacked with NYCAngieBar.com or how about AngieNewYorkBar.com. Happen to think this is a big reason for the new Tld's. Whereas if you own AngieBar.NYC. That's it. There is no variation on it. That's a powerful selling point. It's shorter, more elegant, speaks only to what you actually do, or are, and doesn't imply you could be anything else.


The bloke who just blown 800k is it on Teen.xxx, Escort.xxx [can't remember which ones but something like this], made a powerful point.

These domains may not get the traffic the dotcoms get, but the traffic they do get is 'pre-qualified'.

So i'm thinking about this and i'm beginning to see his point. What good is owning Teen.com and your trying to shift porn if 80% of your visitors are expecting eulogies to One Direction and Hannah Montanna etc. Whereas Teen.xxx anyone who clicks for that knows what they after.

Same with these new tld's. imho. Some of them will offer the prequalification effect.

 

[accelerator]

I think a very small percentage do have the potential to be valuable. However, the vast majority are going to be worthless. Those domainers that do profit will be the seasoned professionals that have a "knack" of identifying the right domains. Newbies should be very careful indeed.

Rgds

 

[murph]

I can see .app working very well. Not sure about others.

 

[Skinner]

I think geo's and services will work quite well, depending on how google handled the right of the . thing.

At the moment if you search for manchester uk vs manchester .uk you get different results, if google see's the "uk" in my example as a keyword then london.club or plumber.london bars.nyc etc look ok.

With regard to nyc specifically, most americans in my experience who are from NY (the state) vs NYC (the city) say NYC when they mean new york city, new york. Outside NYC, NY, USA we (the uk) say NY when we actually mean NYC, so for me NYC is on level with .London. Only diff being there are many londons in the world so maybe the other londons will get in on it too.

 

[murph]

Why so exactly? (from iPhone)

Apps are quite obviously a massive part of the current mobile internet usage, something that has grown rapidly year-on-year. Most apps tend to have a website counterpart that promotes/ provides support & info etc...

 

[websaway]

The companies that could have had a fantastic name on .biz, Didn't

What better extension is there than .info , the internet is teaming with information, why didn't more businesses that provide information brand under .info ?

answers on a postcard.

 

[websaway]

diamonds.info sold last week (sedo) for $1800

take from that what you will.

 

[diablo]

Just found this on Sedo re when new tld will become available:

http://sedo.com/us/new-gtlds/gtld-launch-dates/

 

[Edwin]

diamonds.info sold last week (sedo) for $1800

take from that what you will.

Shows that the very very best .info can command about 0.1% of what the .com would. Means that anything under about $5,000 in theoretical value in .com is sub regfee in .info - which sounds about right!

And given that .info is by far the most popular "new GTLD" to launch after the original .com/net/org (remember, it launched 16 years after .com) that tells you everything you need to know about the utter worthlessness of the 700 new new GTLD coming down the pipeline

 

[julian]

I nearly spent $10,000 on contactdotinfo a few months back.. still tempted

..and what would the .com be worth - I suppose 0.1% x 100?

Shows that the very very best .info can command about 0.1% of what the .com would. Means that anything under about $5,000 in theoretical value in .com is sub regfee in .info - which sounds about right!

And given that .info is by far the most popular "new GTLD" to launch after the original .com/net/org (remember, it launched 16 years after .com) that tells you everything you need to know about the utter worthlessness of the 700 new new GTLD coming down the pipeline