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[topcat]

Go do it now, register some available domains with "amazing metrics" and then post them here?, would love to see this

I don't understand how you will be experimenting on "age" with domains that already have backlinks, since it will totally depend on the quality of those backlinks so you will never have a fair test.

You would have to do a much more controlled experiment to get anything out of it.

I think the experiment is pretty much as a waste of time anyway, can't see what you will get out of it.

Exactly.

In order to compare two reg dates you need to keep all else equal (i.e. backlink profile).

 

[cerithomas]

Go do it now, register some available domains with "amazing metrics" and then post them here?, would love to see this

I don't understand how you will be experimenting on "age" with domains that already have backlinks, since it will totally depend on the quality of those backlinks so you will never have a fair test.

You would have to do a much more controlled experiment to get anything out of it.

I think the experiment is pretty much as a waste of time anyway, can't see what you will get out of it.

Murray your quite blatantly an idiot, i ignored your earlier comment as it was beyond comprehension to not see the value in doing case studies when it comes to SEO.

As an affiliate marketer and SEO full time i make a very healthy living in the 6 figures per year out of my efforts, every time google roles out another update things change and were seeing progressively slower rankings with newly registered domains due to this.

I'm well aware of the attributes that are required to rank a site with an aged domain, i just purchased from another acorndomains provider just a moment ago which has the basic metrics i was looking for. Basically good links and history, indexed in google and over 1 year old.

The domains i will be be actioning the case study upon will be very controlled with similar content and SEO attributes, please feel free to pop over too SEO infinitum and pay the monthly fee to follow my case study where hundreds of people already are.

As for the list of domains with great metrics, well i'm not going to give them all away but here's a couple of mid range ones:

http://www.ecommercemoneymaker.com
http://www.tradefairstand.com
http://www.pioneerresource.co.uk
http://www.onlinecarloans.org.uk
http://www.empirebondquiz.com
http://www.grafmilitarysales.com


I've got about another 1000 in a list should i want to register them also.

Now go do us all a favour and do something constructive rather than comment random blurb where you don't no the full story on other peoples threds with no intention to contribute anything remotely useful.

 

[AssetDomains]

As for the list of domains with great metrics, well i'm not going to give them all away but here's a couple of mid range ones:

http://www.ecommercemoneymaker.com
http://www.tradefairstand.com
http://www.pioneerresource.co.uk
http://www.onlinecarloans.org.uk
http://www.empirebondquiz.com
http://www.grafmilitarysales.com


I've got about another 1000 in a list should i want to register them also.

Only took a quick look at one onlinecarloans.org.uk seems like it has a shed load of directory links.
I'm an seo newb but wouldn't describe that as Great or am I just missing something

 

[Murray]

http://www.ecommercemoneymaker.com
http://www.tradefairstand.com
http://www.pioneerresource.co.uk
http://www.onlinecarloans.org.uk
http://www.empirebondquiz.com
http://www.grafmilitarysales.com

Spam'a'lama' ding dong.

You obviously can't recognise spam link profiles.

These are trash that have been dumped, not gems that have been accidentally dropped.

 

[cerithomas]

Only took a quick look at one onlinecarloans.org.uk seems like it has a shed load of directory links.
I'm an seo newb but wouldn't describe that as Great or am I just missing something

Hi,

In all honesty i haven't dug deep into the metrics in those domains, their the mid range ones, i don't want to give away my top range ones... mainly those domains have a good moz.com rank an were purely used for demonstration purposes.

Generally these are the metrics i look for:

High Moz page authroity above 30, ideally over 40.
Good Citation and Trust flow in majesticseo.com (in particular above 10 for trust flow)
Consistent Metrics to the above in Ahrefs

To further avoid penalised domains i check that the anchor text % for money terms vs naked url and lsi terms...

When buying sites i also check the way back machine to see what the site looked like and whether it changed dramatically somewhere along the line to some sort of pharmacy for prozac.

Thanks.

 

[Murray]

Hi,

In all honesty i haven't dug deep into the metrics in those domains, their the mid range ones, i don't want to give away my top range ones... mainly those domains have a good moz.com rank an were purely used for demonstration purposes.

Generally these are the metrics i look for:

High Moz page authroity above 30, ideally over 40.
Good Citation and Trust flow in majesticseo.com (in particular above 10 for trust flow)
Consistent Metrics to the above in Ahrefs

To further avoid penalised domains i check that the anchor text % for money terms vs naked url and lsi terms...

When buying sites i also check the way back machine to see what the site looked like and whether it changed dramatically somewhere along the line to some sort of pharmacy for prozac.

Thanks.

Well that is where you're going wrong, trusting tools.

Pagerank, OSE & Majestic etc are indications of quality only.

You actually have to look at the links themselves (+ if they're still in place of course)

When I look at a link profile I want to see authoritive sites I recognise with the links placed naturally, I want links from leading sites in that domains niche, ac.uk, national news/magazine, .gov etc

I don't want to see "freesubmitdirectory.com" "seodirectory.com" "123getaklink.com"

The domains you listed are all trash.

You should learn a bit more before wasting money on more domains.

 

[cerithomas]

Well that is where you're going wrong, trusting tools.

Pagerank, OSE & Majestic etc are indications of quality only.

You actually have to look at the links themselves (+ if they're still in place of course)

When I look at a link profile I want to see authoritive sites I recognise with the links placed naturally, I want links from leading sites in that domains niche, ac.uk, national news/magazine, .gov etc

I don't want to see "freesubmitdirectory.com" "seodirectory.com" "123getaklink.com"

The domains you listed are all trash.

You should learn a bit more before wasting money on more domains.

Fair play, i can't argue with that... i personally do the same with seo spyglass, i basically have a list of over 1000 domains with good metrics upon first appearances but i then delve deeper.

I have some cracking domains from old churches, councils, radio stations and even banks that have links from wikipedia, bbc, dmoz and many more great sources... the listed domains were mid range and purely based on metrics without delving into the details, i wouldn't register any of those either but neither would i list domains i have bought or intend to buy.

 

[Murray]

Fair play, i can't argue with that... i personally do the same with seo spyglass, i basically have a list of over 1000 domains with good metrics upon first appearances but i then delve deeper.

I have some cracking domains from old churches, councils, radio stations and even banks that have links from wikipedia, bbc, dmoz and many more great sources... the listed domains were mid range and purely based on metrics without delving into the details, i wouldn't register any of those either but neither would i list domains i have bought or intend to buy.

High quality SEO domains do drop, I've seen some real crackers in the past year, but they're caught.

The only ones that would be FTR are low quality or in particularly poor niches. I don't know what I would do with a church domain.

 

[cerithomas]

High quality SEO domains do drop, I've seen some real crackers in the past year, but they're caught.

The only ones that would be FTR are low quality or in particularly poor niches. I don't know what I would do with a church domain.

You can take any domain with good metrics and turn it into a private blog network based around a niche you want to rank for, google doesn't read like a human and won't dislike a link coming from a website based on the same niche irrespective of the domain name.

Maybe you should read up on Alex Beckers principals for creating a private blog network to get an idea how this works as it's too broad a subject to describe here.

Furthermore you can take sites that have spammy links and turn them into a private blog network site that passes valuable link juice, provided the domain isn't penalised the link juice will still flow and i always do a series of tests to ensure a domain isn't penalised after registering.

SEO's all around the world are buying up domains with good metrics but not necessarily perfect links pointing to them because they work, you only need to become a member of seo infinitum to see dozens of people promoting this fact.

I rank websites using grey/ blackhat techniques and make a very healthy living out of it, i wouldn't be a smart arse and say i no it all but your attitude seems to be that of a smart arse.

I came here to buy a domain and you as a seller started writing counter productive comments on my thread, doesn't really promote your personality as a service provider and i certainly wouldn't buy off you.

I have now bought a domain and i'm happy with my purchase from a provider that did their job rather than just be a smart alec.

 

[Murray]

Maybe you should read up on Alex Beckers principals for creating a private blog network to get an idea how this works as it's too broad a subject to describe here.

I had a quick read over it.

The theory of it is correct, quality links do = rankings, so get some quality sites under your control and you will be golden..

What would concern me is peoples ability to recognise & obtain the right domains to use. I can imagine after reading that people have spent $$$ buying a little collection of spammed out garbage domains expecting them to help with rankings.

A good example of this is your little list of domains you posted..

There's some other really bad (honestly terrible) advice in there, like putting the links in a sidebar or footer on the homepage, I mean c'mon.. how glaringly obvious do you want to be with it

The guy is obviously good at marketing himself & selling people a dream, but his advice is a good way for the vast majority to lose time & money.

 

[cerithomas]

I had a quick read over it.

The theory of it is correct, quality links do = rankings, so get some quality sites under your control and you will be golden..

What would concern me is peoples ability to recognise & obtain the right domains to use. I can imagine after reading that people have spent $$$ buying a little collection of spammed out garbage domains expecting them to help with rankings.

A good example of this is your little list of domains you posted..

There's some other really bad (honestly terrible) advice in there, like putting the links in a sidebar or footer on the homepage, I mean c'mon.. how glaringly obvious do you want to be with it

The guy is obviously good at marketing himself & selling people a dream, but his advice is a good way for the vast majority to lose time & money.

Your blatantly a text book example of why so many people fail at internet marketing and namely SEO, if you can't see around the fact that google is not a human and merely a bit of software/ hardware that can be manipulated by giving it what it supposedly wants then your excessively naive.

In the world of SEO nice guys finish last, we have all tried the "put a website up and visitors will come option," and quite frankly it doesn't work, you can write the worlds best content but with no links you'll be on page -100 not making a penny.

I have made hundreds of websites in my time and ranked at the top of google for terms with in excess of 300,000 exact match searches per month on the 1st page using my tactics, I can assure you expired domains with link juice provided their not penalised pass allot of link juice on and in turn get rankings and ££££££.

We can all follow the best practices of what Google's "Matt Cutt's," says we should be doing but irrespective nice guys finish last.

 

[Retired_Member38]

You're certainly doing well then Ceri, given the extremely amateurish questions you were asking in February! Most people never make it to a 6 figure income at all... if you really have done that from being completely clueless 9 months ago, then that is impressive

Dropped domains & private blog networks are finished as far as a viable seo tactic goes. Sure you might have the odd short term success here and there... but the reality is you're either going to get penalised, filtered, spam reported, outed publicly, or all of the above.

Dropped domains & private networks are also not going to make you look like a brand, which Google seems determined to push towards as a major ranking factor.

imho, these tests you are attempting to run are a complete waste of your time and money.

 

[cerithomas]

You're certainly doing well then Ceri, given the extremely amateurish questions you were asking in February! Most people never make it to a 6 figure income at all... if you really have done that from being completely clueless 9 months ago, then that is impressive

Dropped domains & private blog networks are finished as far as a viable seo tactic goes. Sure you might have the odd short term success here and there... but the reality is you're either going to get penalised, filtered, spam reported, outed publicly, or all of the above.

Dropped domains & private networks are also not going to make you look like a brand, which Google seems determined to push towards as a major ranking factor.

imho, these tests you are attempting to run are a complete waste of your time and money.

I can't remember the comment or question i asked back in February and in all honesty if you have delved that deep into my history it's a bit sad.

Dropped domains and private networks are very much alive. Who said i wanted to look like a brand? I create churn and burn websites with cloaking, 301 redirects etc... etc, why would i want to create a brand that costs me money and have to provide a service when i can simply be an affiliate marketer and make massive profit margins without any stock or hassle?

Whether you believe me or even give a damn about how much i am earning online doesn't bother me in the least, my point in getting annoyed is simple... why post unrelated, unhelpful criticism on my thread when all i was doing is looking for a domain to buy? I hate troll know it all's... what's the point in being a stuck up prick about stuff? I'm doing a free case study for those who are interested (and there's many) and in all honesty it was other participants in the discussion who mentioned including an aged domain so i'm simply obliging the handful of requests.

 

[Murray]

Dropped domains & private blog networks are finished as far as a viable seo tactic goes.

I think I could write for the next hour just on my thoughts about this statement..

What I'm going to talk about is on the topic of sustainable rankings

Currently google treats dropped domains like they never dropped, so if you get a number of quality domains under your control you could rank a site, because as ever, links rank sites.

I also believe if done right you wouldn't have a problem with algorithms

^ That is depending on the competition for the keyword, because the harder it is the rank, the more you will have to scale up, the more obvious it might become.

Now once you got to ranking if you were reported by a competitor could you stand up to a manual review, nah, so therefore you couldn't truly call this a sustainable ranking method.

I suppose it's a (maybe not particularly realistic) possibility that you could get the site ranking with the dropped domains, then the traffic they bring would also produce natural links and buzz, so before any manual review you could remove your manipulative links and rank off the natural ones..

I guess I'm thinking about it like a space ship with rocket boosters that jettison once they reach orbit (I'm really waffling now)

Personally I haven't tried to use a dropped domain to rank another site, I've used them as stand alone sites & they regain their former SERP rankings.

Dropped domains & private networks are also not going to make you look like a brand, which Google seems determined to push towards as a major ranking factor.

I think you're thinking more towards product searches.

Informational sites will fair a lot better.

Of course an informational site with some affiliate aspect to it/and or advertising probably wont make as much money as if it was just pure product pushing site, but long term it's a much safer option..

Also you will start producing the right signals if your content is good, attracting new links, social shares etc

 

[12niki]

HeadphoneOnSale.co.uk
Free-GreetingCards.co.uk
Cheap-Flight-Only-Deals.co.uk
.... cheaply - see others

 

[Grant]

I don't think the age factor is really an issue and if it is, I doubt it will be for much longer.

Just build a site using useful content, get some back links from sites (like Murray said) that not just you but others in the niche would recognise (for SEO it would be Moz.com, Search Engine People and all SEO's would agree etc) the weight of those links, would quickly outweigh a year or two of domain age.

 

[Marcoose]

Dropped domains & private blog networks are finished as far as a viable seo tactic goes. Sure you might have the odd short term success here and there... but the reality is you're either going to get penalised, filtered, spam reported, outed publicly, or all of the above.

I think that depends on how you build the private network out.

Even some publicly available networks are still doing very well... OK you might not get years out of them - months though are achievable.

Dropped domains & private networks are also not going to make you look like a brand, which Google seems determined to push towards as a major ranking factor.

Depends on how you do it, with what.

 

[Marcoose]

Dropped domains and private networks are very much alive. Who said i wanted to look like a brand? I create churn and burn websites with cloaking, 301 redirects etc... etc, why would i want to create a brand that costs me money and have to provide a service when i can simply be an affiliate marketer and make massive profit margins without any stock or hassle?

+1

It's all about mixing it up - Create some long term sites - churn and burn some others.. I think that is the perfect online business model.... unless you have a Facebook moment!

Whether you believe me or even give a damn about how much i am earning online .

I think the unwritten rule is not to comment on/boast about what you earn in the first place, full stop... online or off.