88,160 UK domains for sale

[ratboy]

split escrow and buyer pays Nom if i remember correctly

 

[dashu1]

Thanks, I couldn't find it anywhere on the site.

 

[golddiggerguy]

Just got a counter offer back from a $75 offer for a 3 word domain $1450 ?!&WTF~#% just counter final offered back $90

It's only a nice to have domain so I'm amazed at $1450

 

[retired_member6]

Just got a counter offer back from a $75 offer for a 3 word domain $1450 ?!&WTF~#% just counter final offered back $90

It's only a nice to have domain so I'm amazed at $1450

Priced as they should be then, none of this mindless stupidity of selling domains for under £100... like I do.

 

[max99x]

they price very high, yet offer very low for domains if you want to sell.

I was intrigued so emailed them asking if they wanted to buy a generic of mine which I value at low-mid £xx,xxx they offered me as low as you can go £x,xxx

 

[golddiggerguy]

The domain in question was close to GaragesInLeeds.co.uk which is far from worth $1.5k

Never mind :? I guess they are going for Very Low sale Quantity at Very high Prices model.

I would have gone upto $200 but don't think even that would have shifted them.

 

[retired_member32]

complete and utter idiots,i bang my head against a door daily trying to buy domains from these jokers and i now move on if they hold the domain.

i enquired about a domain bought on this forum for £100 and missed it so i went through the whois and contacted them about it and they wanted $8000....:shock:

i was alright after ten coffees......

 

[mally]

I wonder how they value domains, maybe every exact visitor per month on google keyword suggestion = £1, so 1,000 visitors a month = £1,000

 

[rob]

they price very high, yet offer very low for domains if you want to sell.

Do you buy high and sell cheap?

i enquired about a domain bought on this forum for £100 and missed it so i went through the whois and contacted them about it and they wanted $8000....:shock:

i was alright after ten coffees......

I have bought stuff cheap on here that I wouldnt want to sell at 40x either.

I realise the volume of names may equate to a dump perception, but Edwin has probably hit the nail on the head earlier in the thread.

 

[Edwin]

I still think most of the posts on this thread are missing the point.

Sure, you're losing lots of volume when you set your prices "high" but it may very well still be a better scenario than selling large quantities of names cheaply.

With 90,000 names, if they sell 1% of their inventory a year that's 900 sales. And if they average just $1,000 per name sold (an extremely low AVERAGE), that's $900,000 generated from sales, or about a 100% annual return on the $450,000 a year in renewal fees.

And frankly, I think those are VERY pessimistic numbers. Their average sale price is probably higher, and given how often I see their tag appearing on decent names they're probably selling more names than that too (a 1% churn is a joke if you have a strong portfolio). And that's without factoring in a single penny of income from any other source than sales.

End-users are FAR less price sensitive than domainers, so why artificially drop your prices when there's no need to? With 90,000 hooks in the river, you must be catching SOME fish every day - even if you have no idea from one day to the next which fish you'll catch (domains you'll sell) or how big they'll be (how much you'll make from each one).

The larger your portfolio, the more that averages become your friend, smoothing out the dips and troughs in your sales income. So long as you're COMFORTABLY making more than the renewal fees you need to maintain your domain holdings, you can do whatever you like and still make a profit. Everything else is tweaking...

Added: I just checked a "random" selection of nice keyphrases in the mortgage/debt consolidation field (good enough that I would have registered any available names from the list). 106 names on my little list, and 7 turned out to be owned by NOKTA. That's 6%!

I then checked a list of 101 furniture-related keyphrases and 23 of them (basically 23%) were owned by NOKTA.

I'd venture a guess based on this and on past experience that it would be a conservative estimate to say that 5% of all COMMERCIAL domains in the .co.uk namespace are owned by NOKTA, even though they only own about 1.1% of the total number of registered domains. That's not such a stretch when you think about all the millions of domains that were registered by companies and individuals who were going for something "brandable" or who just didn't care about keyword research (or hadn't even heard of the concept).

 

[mally]

I would say though, I do like their website and that you can submit offers, and get back offers.

Edwin, with your portfolio of domains, I can see a similar site working well for you. I've only got a handful of domains though, so not as useful for me.

 

[domainseller200]

I still think most of the posts on this thread are missing the point.

Sure, you're losing lots of volume when you set your prices "high" but it may very well still be a better scenario than selling large quantities of names cheaply.

With 90,000 names, if they sell 1% of their inventory a year that's 900 sales. And if they average just $1,000 per name sold (an extremely low AVERAGE), that's $900,000 generated from sales, or about a 100% annual return on the $450,000 a year in renewal fees.

And frankly, I think those are VERY pessimistic numbers. Their average sale price is probably higher, and given how often I see their tag appearing on decent names they're probably selling more names than that too (a 1% churn is a joke if you have a strong portfolio). And that's without factoring in a single penny of income from any other source than sales.

End-users are FAR less price sensitive than domainers, so why artificially drop your prices when there's no need to? With 90,000 hooks in the river, you must be catching SOME fish every day - even if you have no idea from one day to the next which fish you'll catch (domains you'll sell) or how big they'll be (how much you'll make from each one).

The larger your portfolio, the more that averages become your friend, smoothing out the dips and troughs in your sales income. So long as you're COMFORTABLY making more than the renewal fees you need to maintain your domain holdings, you can do whatever you like and still make a profit. Everything else is tweaking...

Added: I just checked a "random" selection of nice keyphrases in the mortgage/debt consolidation field (good enough that I would have registered any available names from the list). 106 names on my little list, and 7 turned out to be owned by NOKTA. That's 6%!

Fantastic explanation Edwin and so true when you put it down in words like this - thanks once again

 

[accelerator]

Fantastic explanation Edwin and so true when you put it down in words like this - thanks once again

Agreed.

Rgds

 

[retired_member26]

Edwin, you miss a very critical point. In order to bet 450K you should have at least a 1 million in your warchest. There is an amortization of 90000 hooks in the river don't forget. Besides consolidation suggests that your calculations would not be working for them at the moment!

TurNIC

 

[JMOT]

Fact: they historically have and highly likely still do make a packet from their Parking.

 

[mojoco]

I still think most of the posts on this thread are missing the point.

Sure, you're losing lots of volume when you set your prices "high" but it may very well still be a better scenario than selling large quantities of names cheaply.

With 90,000 names, if they sell 1% of their inventory a year that's 900 sales. And if they average just $1,000 per name sold (an extremely low AVERAGE), that's $900,000 generated from sales, or about a 100% annual return on the $450,000 a year in renewal fees.

And frankly, I think those are VERY pessimistic numbers. Their average sale price is probably higher, and given how often I see their tag appearing on decent names they're probably selling more names than that too (a 1% churn is a joke if you have a strong portfolio). And that's without factoring in a single penny of income from any other source than sales.

End-users are FAR less price sensitive than domainers, so why artificially drop your prices when there's no need to? With 90,000 hooks in the river, you must be catching SOME fish every day - even if you have no idea from one day to the next which fish you'll catch (domains you'll sell) or how big they'll be (how much you'll make from each one).

The larger your portfolio, the more that averages become your friend, smoothing out the dips and troughs in your sales income. So long as you're COMFORTABLY making more than the renewal fees you need to maintain your domain holdings, you can do whatever you like and still make a profit. Everything else is tweaking...

Added: I just checked a "random" selection of nice keyphrases in the mortgage/debt consolidation field (good enough that I would have registered any available names from the list). 106 names on my little list, and 7 turned out to be owned by NOKTA. That's 6%!

I then checked a list of 101 furniture-related keyphrases and 23 of them (basically 23%) were owned by NOKTA.

I'd venture a guess based on this and on past experience that it would be a conservative estimate to say that 5% of all COMMERCIAL domains in the .co.uk namespace are owned by NOKTA, even though they only own about 1.1% of the total number of registered domains. That's not such a stretch when you think about all the millions of domains that were registered by companies and individuals who were going for something "brandable" or who just didn't care about keyword research (or hadn't even heard of the concept).

Precisely what I was thinking, except I could not articulate it as well as you Edwin

 

[Edwin]

Edwin, you miss a very critical point. In order to bet 450K you should have at least a 1 million in your warchest. There is an amortization of 90000 hooks in the river don't forget. Besides consolidation suggests that your calculations would not be working for them at the moment!

Not really. You could also bet 25,000 and make 50,000 back off that, spend half on renewals and reinvest the other 25,000 and repeat. After all, a .co.uk registration lasts 2 whole years - that's a long time to get a sale (averaged across a large number of names, not on a per name basis).

Start with $25,000. At $10 per 2 year period, you could buy 2,500 domains for that $25,000. If you then sell 1% of those 2,500 domains a year, at $1,000 each, that's 50 sales over the 2 year period and $50,000 earned. So the next 2-year period you renew the rest ($25,000) and buy 2,500 more domains (5,000 domains total). In the following 2 years you sell 100 domains and earn $100,000. You spend half of that on renewals and buy 5,000 more domains (10,000 domains total).

So after 2 years you have 5,000 domains. After 4 years, 10,000 domains. After 6 years, 20,000 domains. After 8 years, 40,000 domains and after 10 years you have 80,000 domains - having never had to take more money from your savings than that original $25,000 (all the subsequent growth comes from reinvested gains) - generating $400,000 a year in profits.

Start with $50,000 and you can "skip" 2 years, or start with $100,000 and you skip 4 years of the above doubling process.

Of course, nowadays it's harder to find the domains to register, but Nokta built much of their collection a good few years back - the above is definitely one plausible scenario by which they COULD have done it (I have no special insight into what resources they ACTUALLY have/had at their disposal)

 

[foz]

I see it working. You also have PPC income to offset the renewal fee cost.

Perhaps the PPC income alone would cover the renewal fee's and the sales are the cream.

90,000 x £2.50 = £225,000 ~US$355,000 P.A.

 

[mojoco]

By the time you factor in a few big sales, some of which have been reported on DNJournal it stacks up very easily.

 

[Edwin]

BTW, it's quite amazing when you take a step back and consider just how much coverage of just about any subject NOKTA has. Until this thread, I knew that they showed up in Whois "a lot" but I'd never tried to quantify what that really meant.

I just ran a list of 200 random keyphrases across 7 completely different niches (I generate them by running the Google keyword tool, selecting the "website content" option and then picking a top-ranked site in each niche as the "seed" URL and seeing what high-volume searches Google returns as suggestions)

Of the 200, Nokta owns 21 of the matching domains (10.5%)! Gratifyingly, I own 10 of them myself - they're all niches I'd taken a look at historically