What's with some people!

[khalid]

I don't know if its me so I thought I'd post this thread but I seem to come across some weird domain owners out there....

My usual e-mail to owners is something along the lines of "I'm interested in your name xxx and wondering if you would consider selling it. If so, do you have a price in mind".

Then I get weird ass replies that help nobody, ranging from....

• I am looking for £x,xxx but I will not reveal traffic or revenue stats
• I do not have a price in mind but feel free to make an offer that you think
• Offer what it is worth to you, say X pounds, such that if you heard I sold it to another buyer for more than X pounds you would think that buyer had paid too much.
• The domain is not for sale but feel free to make an offer

Do these people know how to do business? Firstly, the domain is or is not for sale, and if it is, surely you have a price in mind you wouldn't go below?

Secondly, if you are willing to sell your name then why not be upfront with the facts and figures. You wouldn't buy a car without knowing how many miles it had done, if it passed its MOT etc.

Is it me or do you experience similar situations? Rant over.

 

[retired_member6]

If you want the name, make an offer, domain selling and buying aint about prices, it's about negotiation.

 

[bb99]

Firstly, the domain is or is not for sale, and if it is, surely you have a price in mind you wouldn't go below?

It's not that simple Khalid! As I read in a WIPO decision years ago "My shoes are not for sale but if you make good offer I happy to walk home barefoot".

:shock:

 

[khalid]

If you want the name, make an offer, domain selling and buying aint about prices, it's about negotiation.

Fair enough, but if they say "make an offer" and you do, you usually get "sorry no sale". Why not negotiate and say "that's a bit below my price bracket" or something similar.

It's not that simple Khalid! As I read in a WIPO decision years ago "My shoes are not for sale but if you make good offer I happy to walk home barefoot".

:shock:

Perhaps I'm coming across wrong buddy, don't want to get anyone's back up here. I'm just saying that I'm happy to negotiate and discuss but I find a number of people very difficult to deal with.

A simple offer/counter offer doesn't suffice with some people. Admittadly I'm still learning but I just can't figure out why there is a lack of discussion / flexibility with sellers.

 

[retired_member6]

Fair enough, but if they say "make an offer" and you do, you usually get "sorry no sale". Why not negotiate and say "that's a bit below my price bracket" or something similar.



Perhaps I'm coming across wrong buddy, don't want to get anyone's back up here. I'm just saying that I'm happy to negotiate and discuss but I find a number of people very difficult to deal with.

A simple offer/counter offer doesn't suffice with some people. Admittadly I'm still learning but I just can't figure out why there is a lack of discussion / flexibility with sellers.

Sellers with money don't care how little the amount of money you have, sellers without money will let you know sooner rather than later of a price they have in mind if they need the money, it's about knowing who you're dealing with, me I'll always tell you a price, whether it's £10000 or £10 if you negotiate we'll get there in the end. The big players don't care, they know they got money in the bank regardless of selling or keeping.

 

[retired_member6]

Someone once said here, they did a search on their home address to see how much money they had, another way is a company accounts search, but these days the house you live in doesn't mean much if you can't put food on the table, I live in a £22,500 car, it's comfy but cold at night.

 

[mojoco]

Do these people know how to do business? Firstly, the domain is or is not for sale, and if it is, surely you have a price in mind you wouldn't go below?

It works both ways. You have contacted the owner in an attempt to buy the name. Surely you have a maximum price in mind that you won't go above? Why not offer it?
Ultimately it is simply down to negotiation tactics.

 

[khalid]

Sellers with money don't care how little the amount of money you have, sellers without money will let you know sooner rather than later of a price they have in mind if they need the money, it's about knowing who you're dealing with, me I'll always tell you a price, whether it's £10000 or £10 if you negotiate we'll get there in the end. The big players don't care, they know they got money in the bank regardless of selling or keeping.

True, I never thought about this. I guess they are perhaps more experienced and like to guage you before revealing how much they are truly wanting for it.

I like your way of doing business Lee - tell the price up front! If you have any one word generics let me know (.co.uk only!)

 

[khalid]

It works both ways. You have contacted the owner in an attempt to buy the name. Surely you have a maximum price in mind that you won't go above? Why not offer it?
Ultimately it is simply down to negotiation tactics.

Indeed tactics, but if I have £5,000 to spend and could get the name for £3,000, why let them know I have £5,000.

I like to be honest without revealing my maximum budget rather than say "I only have £3k" when £3,100" may clinch the deal because then you might lose out or look like a liar.

 

[retired_member6]

True, I never thought about this. I guess they are perhaps more experienced and like to guage you before revealing how much they are truly wanting for it.

I like your way of doing business Lee - tell the price up front! If you have any one word generics let me know (.co.uk only!)

Most of my domains are for sale in another thread, any generics I get don't get sold through this forum as the users invariably dont have enough money. I got destinations for sale for the first time and some one word generics, I have held some back like chathosts.co.uk and laters.co.uk

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/fixed-price-domain-names-sale/53054-100-each-inc-17th-co-uk.html

 

[accelerator]

My usual e-mail to owners is something along the lines of "I'm interested in your name xxx and wondering if you would consider selling it. If so, do you have a price in mind".

You have a good idea of how much the domain is actually worth to you, so if you actually say in your initial e-mail "I would like to offer you £X for your domain" you are likely to get a much better response rate. Obviously X would be well below what you could afford to pay, but it gets the ball rolling.

Rgds

 

[mojoco]

Indeed tactics, but if I have £5,000 to spend and could get the name for £3,000, why let them know I have £5,000.

I like to be honest without revealing my maximum budget rather than say "I only have £3k" when £3,100" may clinch the deal because then you might lose out or look like a liar.

Again it works both ways. Why should the owner sell it for the price he won't go below say £3k, when he may be able to get £5k from you.

 

[khalid]

I might give this a bash so thanks for the advice, only issue is they might get put off by my initial offer.

 

[disruptive]

It all comes down to the nebulous value of many domains - which are in a nut shell, "worth what people will pay for them". That means pricing a domain without traffic/revenue or little can be hard. So as pricing is difficult, so is the negotiation. Take 10 valuations and the expected spread would be huge.

Its also easier to kick of hundreds/thousands of "how much will you sell X" for and waste the sellers responding for some terse reply.

 

[Systreg]

I contacted someone the other week, they had a domain which was going to drop within the week, I asked how much they wanted for it, after a bit of chat they said they wanted £1000, so I offered them £550, they said they would sleep on it and get back to me, I was expecting them to come back asking £750 - £900, in which case they would have had a deal. I explained that they needed to renew it very soon or it would drop, they said yeah, not letting it drop, just a couple of clicks to renew it blah blah blah.

They didn't call back, so I phoned again, no answer, sent them text messages reminding them that is was dropping if they didn't renew it, and that I had an improved offer for them, still no answer, a couple of days later the domain dropped, fecking mental, can't understand that at all

 

[deconstruction]

"My shoes are not for sale but if you make good offer I happy to walk home barefoot".

thats going in all my replies now

 

[mat]

I contacted someone the other week, they had a domain which was going to drop within the week, I asked how much they wanted for it, after a bit of chat they said they wanted £1000, so I offered them £550, they said they would sleep on it and get back to me, I was expecting them to come back asking £750 - £900, in which case they would have had a deal. I explained that they needed to renew it very soon or it would drop, they said yeah, not letting it drop, just a couple of clicks to renew it blah blah blah.

They didn't call back, so I phoned again, no answer, sent them text messages reminding them that is was dropping if they didn't renew it, and that I had an improved offer for them, still no answer, a couple of days later the domain dropped, fecking mental, can't understand that at all

Thats also happened to me, I couldnt understand it.

 

[bb99]

Thats also happened to me, I couldnt understand it.

I think that this happens when people don't really understand what domain names are, nor the terminology involved, and they possibly think that you're trying to pull some sort of scam on them.

Easier to do nothing and make the person on the other end of the telephone hassling them go away!

 

[Systreg]

I think that this happens when people don't really understand what domain names are, nor the terminology involved, and they possibly think that you're trying to pull some sort of scam on them.

@ BB99, that wasn't the case with the domain owner I contacted, he said he owns a lot of domains, I found others that he owned that he had sold on, he had a lot of .uk's, .com's and others, so he knows the score with regards to domains.

 

[retired_member32]

i am really happy someone started this thread,i have been sending emails by the bucket load recently asking how much they would like for there domain and getting vague replies "yes i would be willing to sell it make me an offer" which sends me mad you pitch too low and they don't take you seriously pitch too high and they try running you up to extortionate amounts,i have a very nice yank on sedo who makes my blood boil,you make a low ball offer and he comes back with £12k counter offer,i'm thinking with 1,900 exact not really great is it mate.

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