Wanted: Domain Appraisal visionwear.co.uk & Frights.co.uk

[woopwoop]

I saw this one a few days ago and had to stop myself from buying it, but it was still around today so I grabbed it.

Not sure if I've wasted a few quid, but there seems to be money in sunglasses and specs (plus contact lenses)...

I'll have to search for any affiliate schemes for these types of products.

If anyone can point me in the best direction on how to get started with this one I'd appreciate it.

Plus appraisals always welcome - I think visionwear.co.uk is pretty catchy...

What do you think?

I also picked up frights.co.uk a while ago and had some following plans:

Theme park affiliates (Alton Towers etc.)
Scary Stories / movies sections ?
Halloween themed site with ads?

I dunno?! that's my problem, I buy these names with a bunch of ideas yet not a great idea on how to monetise...

Please help

 

[retired_member2]

Loads of vision related merchants on affiliate networks all over the place, depends if you can sort out datafeeds etc etc

You can just use affiliate links though if you cant

As for the domain its reasonably ok would probaly be worth more if you can get the sales rather than in resale value.

As for frights this would be a lot harder to develop simply because theres not a lot of affiliate programs for that kind of thing.

There is one costume hire that I know of, theres also dvd hire so you could possibly use the horror dvds as a sale point.

Frights would probaly be of more use too someone if they can develop it more than yourself so this possibly has slightly more resale value based upon the single word.

The frights website could also be used as a prankster website where you send dodgy debt collectors letters or informing someone has passed away, e.g the person that is recieving the letter rather than an elderly relative say.

 

[JPF1000]

i think VisionWear is TM

 

[woopwoop]

Hi JPF,

Before I bought visionwear.co.uk I did a quick trademark search at http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text.htm
and couldn't find anything.

The other TLDs aren't held by a UK company.

Google shows a US company 'American VisionWear, LLC' however I don't think they are operating in UK, plus I guess their trademark (registered/unregistered right) would apply to their whole name.

Vision Wear is also somewhat generic in being the collective name for specs, contacts, sunglasses ... maybe even swimming goggles... I'd thought about mascara and eyeliner but maybe that's taking it a bit to far.

I'm still learning about all this stuff so may be wrong with my thinking above, but if you can let me know why you think visionwear.co.uk may be a TM then it would help me out.

Cheers

 

[retired_member2]

Trademarks can relate too a specific name it doesnt have to be the whole of the name, so for example

If I can think of one that is

This torch has halogen (TM) bulbs so the trademark applies too that name halogen.

Trademarks are usually Worldwide, depending upon which company it is, if your a massive company and can sell your product in a Worldwide market, then they will apply for a Worldwide trade or copyright.

Again an example, look at movies, they have Worldwide Copyright.

Coco Cola has a Worldwide trademark on it

It doesnt need to be harrys visionwear (tm) the part name it's self can just be trademarked.

Again another example, the Dyson vacum cleaner, they trademarked and copyrighted near enough every component they could within the bagless vacum cleaners.

 

[woopwoop]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your input.

Interesting points.

My only reference is when I registered a UK Registered Trademark last year (and I have a European Registered Design (I think in US they call them 'design patents').

So both of these have jurisdictions and if I don't make use of these (ie. do business with the trademark and registered design) then they can be revoked and taken off me should somebody object.

Kind of like how Cisco (I think) held a trademark for 'iphone' and when Apple came along to object to it, they used the fact that Cisco hadn't really established this trademark... I'm sure that there are better examples of this.

Plus I know that my UK registered trademark gives me no rights whatsoever outside of the UK. Other than unregistered trademark right which would apply to anyone who is trading with a name, without having registered it.
(Same with my European Registered Design - I think it's actually called an RCD - Registered Community Design... ... that I have no rights outside the EU)


This is all fascinating stuff, many lines are blurred in law.

I would just presume that visionwear.co.uk is safe for the following resons:

1. No one has a registered TM for this name in the UK.
2. No one is trading with this name in the UK
3. Because of (2), no one has established unregistered trademark right in the UK
4. Because of 'vision wear' being a descriptive collective term for eye products, it would be difficult for someone to establish sole right of this name - without putting another word in front, or behind it.

The closest trademark in UK to it is Vision Express.
Vision Express is obviously a massive company (I get contacts from them) and is a trademark. 'Vision' doesn't naturally go with 'express' which makes for a stronger trademark.


"tasty burgers" couldn't be trademarked (I don't think - because it is a descriptive phrase where both words go together naturally) I think that the idea behind this is that other companies across the country could then use the same name easily and the public might be confused...

However, 'Universal Tasty Burgers' could be registered.

there are better examples of this on patent.gov.uk

wow, this has turned into a bit of an essay - am keen to see what others think

:???:

 

[retired_member2]

I honestly do not think that this is tradedmarked but dont quote me on that.

When I done a search on google it came up with an international shop where you can buy clothes from all around the World.

It came up with visionwear designer clothes pretty nifty website actually.

If you are developing the website you could always put a disclaimer if you are not 100% sure such as

At time of domain purchase, a trademark check was done to ensure that no trademarks or copyright laws were being broken, this check was carried out 25/25/25 and we found no such trademark laws were in operation in the UK or anywhere else, if you feel that we have infringed your trademark please get in contact.

Or words similar too that, just basically stating that you done a check, couldnt find anything, if it is breaking the trademark of something, then you apologise and that your take it down without too much hassle.

Regards

Mark

 

[woopwoop]

Hmmm. Yep, I don't know how I overlooked that one?! visionwear.com ...

They are a charity as well...

We'll see what happens, I think visionwear.co.uk would do best selling stuff rather than affiliate marketing like said earlier (maybe you told me that Mark!)

One thing's for sure... I have to stop buying domains... going broke (on .org.uk's too!) ... am I crazy...?

I just added fear.org.uk to my list...


The list:

staffing.org.uk
crop.org.uk
moral.org.uk
report.org.uk
upload.org.uk
rumble.org.uk
derivative.org.uk

... gotta stop...

 

[retired_member2]

In some ways personally I think you are crazy on the .org.uk names simply because the dot org is reasonably as far as I can guess means for organisations so having something like

fear.org.uk might be a goodish one because of fear and phobias

having something that doesnt really mean anything such as some of the names you have quoted just means that there going to be sitting in your portfolio for ages hardly making any money at all and costing you in renewal fees every year.

I buy to develop or bang up the same rubbish as another webiste that I own just incase that keyword becomes popular or it takes a few hits.

A lot of domain extenstions havent hit the major search engines as yet, I think the main one that has apart from co.uk and dot.com of course is .net

Just done a quick check and at least one org domain is in the top 10 for what I searched for, but thats only because its one word and specific for that search

Done another search and no org or net in the top 10 so maybe an extenstion of the future but not one for grabbing unrelated names that cannot be used by an organisation I think personally.

Obviously if your picking up a domain like casino.org.uk for £1.99 then yeah that would be sorted but most stuff nah.

 

[woopwoop]

I completely agree. I think I needed someone to tell me that...

In my defence...


Staffing.org.uk might be a nice name for a temp/staffing agency... so as long as I can sell for more than £20 within the next 10 years...

and report.org.uk I bought as a test for SEO stuff.

I was thinking of developing with subdomains
eg.
credit.report.org.uk
government.report.org.uk
school.report.org.uk
police.report.org.uk

Of course these ideas are always better in my head but because report has a high OVT I wanted to get content onto the site under the subdomains and see how the pagerank went.

But the other names not too great I admit.

 

[retired_member2]

Hope your paying me for this

Right ok, how are you going to develop something like

school.report police.report etc etc

Now my first impression is used too report schools or police for bad conduct etc.

Now in my mind school report and police report mean actually that, a report by the police and the school.

Now being honest they will use a co.uk at best or a gov extension so not a org.uk

So being honest these domains are worthless as the police or a school isnt going to buy them.

Infact if anyone does I would be very suprised.

Not forgetting the fact of the data protection act, so in some respects you wouldnt be able to put anything up there anyway.

So in some respects you need to look at how your brain storming and try too step back a bit more.

I have seen some threads and I have had a brain wave about a domain or other, but I can honestly say that I wouldnt even dream of coming anywhere near similar domains too these.

If you want I sell handcuffs and other bondage gear, so if you want, buy some and safe yourself a fortune before you can reach for your keyboard too buy domains

Regards

Mark

 

[woopwoop]

Hope your paying me for this

err. No.
But appreciate your thoughts

About the schools and police thing. I think you misunderstood. I'm not expecting schools or police or government or anyone to buy this domain off me. It was more for an exercise for me, to develop and test SEO stuff with subdomains. I just used police, schools, credit etc as examples that go with report, and that I could find lots of content to be used on the site - if I ever get around to developing it!:???:

If you want I sell handcuffs and other bondage gear, so if you want, buy some and safe yourself a fortune before you can reach for your keyboard too buy domains

Do you really... ahem... pass...

Is that your main business?


BTW I'm very happy today! I have some great news. my London Student website has now reached PR 4 after being PR3 for 18 months... plus this happened naturally without me putting any effort in... woohoo

 

[retired_member2]

Useless experiment really being honest, your trying to do SEO work on a reasonably unsearched word.

So chances are you might get in the top 10 straight away with it.

Buying a domain such as www.pucker.co.uk and then doing SEO work on it so you build it into a name that sales ice to eskimos is more of a challenge.

Having a domain such as sellicetoeskimo.co.uk isnt a challenge so in some respects your defeating a purpose.

You still need to step back, buying domains is like gambling, it becomes very addictive, its like thinking if I buy this domain I can make a fortune from it, I never dreamt that three years ago when I first started, that I would turn down 2 grand, I still dont being honest, but I did and thats how confident I am that I can make it earn more money.

I buy reasonably bad domains but the domains that I purchase are targeted domains for a reason, even with hyphons, but I never buy domains that I cant make money from I mean whats the point of that?

If for example I buy say buy something for dvd rental, I buy as many domains as I can based around that domain and words, too me they are more worthwhile than something someone doesnt search for.

If I start making money on those domains then I'll buy some more, e.g I'll go for typos etc as long as I can put up a website within a day or a week if its something new, then its worth a gamble.

I'm just working on something now which has gave me a major brain storming session and once I get on a brain storming session then I dont stop, but I know I have too stop myself from going too far with that idea if it costs me too much money without it proving itself first, then if it does earn money, then I adapt around that idea and expand my empire.

Regards

Mark

 

[woopwoop]

Money isn't first for me.
Traffic is.

Report has high OVT.

but to put things in perspective I have no expectations on this domain.

I think that many people in this game have their big projects and then their side-projects.

My big ones right now are further development of those in my signature...

I have pretty decent traffic with LS - though a lot of it's from China!

Talking of brainstorming, I was in Waterstones for almost 2 hours yesterday reading a book on creative advertising and how to manage a team of creative thinkers... very interesting stuff... I'll have to post the ISBN i think you'd love the book...

Matt

 

[retired_member2]

Traffic is good but if theres nothing too sell then pointless unless your building up traffic too sell a domain name, too which people would want too put something up too earn the money.

Would be easy enough too get false traffic to a website to make a domain name sell better but I prefer the if I buy that domain for £5 one year, I want it to make £15 in two years so that it makes me my money back plus small profit.

If I buy a domain name and it doesnt earn me £15 in two years even if it has a million hits a year and earns me nothing and no one wants too buy it, then its not just the domain renewal fee that you need to think of, but the hosting costs as well if its capped.

As for that book, I could probaly use it as toilet paper and sell it back to the author

 

[rob]

I never dreamt that three years ago when I first started, that I would turn down 2 grand, I still dont being honest, but I did and thats how confident I am that I can make it earn more money.

Three years and that bingo name is your first £2k offer?

As for that book, I could probaly use it as toilet paper and sell it back to the author

If £2k offers makes you a guru I wonder what that makes the guys who turn down £xx,xxx - £xxx,xxx offers every few days / weeks

 

[retired_member2]

My first offer full stop lol

So 2k aint too bad I was quite chuffed having my first letter through asking if the domain was for sale and then emailing the guy back and getting told a grand, then thinking nah then going upto to £1500.

Then finding out some background about the domain so refusing that, and then finally getting offered 2k and then refusing that.

I have a couple of domains on Sedo but I dont park I always put up something even if its very basic and hope that it earns money in sales.

Would be nice if I did get offered a vast amount for a domain but sometimes I'm shocked on what sales for a high price as too me a lot of domains look rubbish and not practical for anything but some people do have weird tastes on what they like buying