.org.uk and .uk

[Skinner]

Hence my opinion it was a BS DPA excuse, there was however nothings stopping registrars contacting their clients.

Nominet could easily have contacted all end registrants if it really wanted to, god knows they're quick enough sending you email after email when it looks like you're dropping domain names or when it is canvassing for your opinion!

 

[anthony]

In my opinion if someone builds a website on a .org.uk domain just because the .co.uk domain is already taken, they have done so in the knowledge that they don't own the best extension, therefore when the .uk domain comes out, it shouldn't make any difference to them if the .uk goes to the .co.uk owner. They still have the .org.uk.

If you feel like you have the right to the ".uk" domain then you should also feel like you have the right to the ".co.uk" domain.

I don't know about that because:

1- What other option would they have had once the .co.uk has gone, and surely they're fully entitled to build a web site on that extension anyway?
2- Later, when they become/became aware the .uk was to be released, any chance to address their 'lack of knowledge' is barred to them anyway.
3- Sorry mate, your finishing sentence make no sense, as you started off by highlighting circumstances where the .co.uk is already taken.

The majority of the big registrars don't even point out the intended uses for the differing options, and Nominet do not police registration nor usage for .org.uk & .me.uk.

 

[anthony]

Hence my opinion it was a BS DPA excuse, there was however nothings stopping registrars contacting their clients.

Agreed, but the registrars couldn't give a shit either, that's the .uk market for you, the end registrant's opinion doesn't mean shit!

 

[Edwin]

Sorry Edwin for not having gone through every .Uk debate or document.. I might have had other things to do.

This 13 month process.. Who has been taking part in it? Nominet members? I have not seen one email being send out to the owners of .UK domains who are not Nominet members but run a business or a non commercial website using a .uk domain.

I don't accept that. It's been the #1 topic on Acorn for 13 months, and you've found the time to post hundreds of posts on here during that period - plus I can see from your post history that you've contributed many times to various .uk-related threads since V1 in October 2012.

If you want to know who's been filling in the consultations, the Nomensa summaries provide comprehensive breakdowns of the stated backgrounds of the respondents.

 

[retired_member33]

I don't accept that. It's been the #1 topic on Acorn for 13 months, and you've found the time to post hundreds of posts on here during that period - plus I can see from your post history that you've contributed many times to various .uk-related threads since V1 in October 2012.

If you want to know who's been filling in the consultations, the Nomensa summaries provide comprehensive breakdowns of the stated backgrounds of the respondents.

Ok... Well I couldn't be arsed reading every thread or reply about .UK domains.

The Nomensa summaries? I have a few .UK names and nobody has ever asked me to answer a questionare or anything related to it. In this day and age it is not that difficult to send out an email with a digital survey to your customers perhaps something they could have done?

It feels a bit like increasing the rent for tenants without asking them...For you it might be different as you own a large portolio of .UK names and you are just happy to keep them..

 

[retired_member33]

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[DaveP]

Does this now mean that the majority of .org.uk's are pretty much worthless?

 

[websaway]

Does this now mean that the majority of .org.uk's are pretty much worthless?

I wouldn't say there was much change.

 

[Edwin]

Does this now mean that the majority of .org.uk's are pretty much worthless?

They will be once .uk is launched, if we're talking about ones registered for commercial use as a substitute for the unavailable .co.uk. While we have no way of knowing which of .co.uk/.uk will rule supreme in the short/medium/long term, it seems pretty obvious that .org.uk will play third fiddle to the two key extensions.

Of course, if you're actually using it yourself to build a business on, you shouldn't care as much - but if the intent is to sell then they're going to lose even the modicum of attraction they currently hold before long.

 

[foz]

.org.uk was and will be for non-profit/charity. People that bought into and used outside that scope were well aware of what they were getting into. No sympathy here.

 

[websaway]

.org.uk was and will be for non-profit/charity. People that bought into and used outside that scope were well aware of what they were getting into. No sympathy here.

It goes a little deeper because nothing has changed for that registrant.
They are still in the same position as they were before.
The only thing that has changed is the disappointment of what would have been an unforeseen stroke of good luck.

 

[markb]

It goes a little deeper because nothing has changed for that registrant.
They are still in the same position as they were before.
The only thing that has changed is the disappointment of what would have been an unforeseen stroke of good luck.

Definitely agree with this. Also you had quite a few people buying .org.uk domains which where older than the .co.uk without telling the owners, just because they thought they could get the .uk domain. Plus I even remember near the beginning of the consultation with V1, that people who had .org.uk's started to knock up rubbish wordpress sites on their domains, hoping that they could show that they where using the domain when the .co.uk owner just had theirs parked, to try and get the .uk.

I think the majority of people who are complaining about the .uk going to the .co.uk owner, are probably people who have invested time and money in .org.uk domains since the consultation began, purely to try to get the the .uk domain over the current .co.uk owner. I'm not saying this is true in every case.

 

[anthony]

...I think the majority of people who are complaining about the .uk going to the .co.uk owner, are probably people who have invested time and money in .org.uk domains since the consultation began...

You do have a tendancy for wild speculation sometimes. Think about what you have said there, the likelihood of such people having gone out and managing to convince the owners of any .org.uk domains in such a position to sell up is very small indeed. I'd be surprised if it even ran into mid 10's at most.

 

[markb]

You do have a tendancy for wild speculation sometimes. Think about what you have said there, the likelihood of such people having gone out and managing to convince the owners of any .org.uk domains in such a position to sell up is very small indeed. I'd be surprised if it even ran into mid 10's at most.

Its not speculation.

 

[anthony]

Its not speculation.

Happy to stand corrected. Can you set out the evidence please?

 

[Skinner]

My bestest buddy Monkey bought a bunch up inc Monaco.org.uk, and god knows how many others.

 

[julian]

sold istanbul.org.uk for mid £££ to a speculator

ohh, I forgot to add.. I also had ££££ offer for privatemedicalcare.org.uk and hotspot.me.uk which would have won under old v2, turned them down - hindsight's a wonderful thing

 

[Systreg]

The value of org.uk's don't change for me, I see no reason for them to change.

As it was, they were 2nd to .co.uk, now that .uk has been announced as going mostly to .co.uk owners, nothing has really changed, I don't believe they are now in 3rd place.

All those .co.uk's they were 2nd to, they're still in the same position behind those, and the large majority who own the .co.uk will have it paired up with the .uk, so I'm not seeing a difference.

Then:

1. co.uk
2. org.uk

Now:

1 {co.uk + uk}
2. org.uk

To me, this applies even more so in the case of some of the bigger domain investers who hold a lot of the best names, and who charge high prices for their .co.uk's.

Their prices for the pair are now going to be even higher, and then there are the others who don't even attempt to sell their domain holdings, so if anything, I think that strengthens the org.uk in instances where someone tries to buy the .co.uk + .uk combination and finds they are way out of their reach.

 

[anthony]

3+10(guess)+1+2=16

That's an Adlington piss drop in a swimming pool!

I do remember the rounds of applause from us all for those doing a similar exercise for the LLs, on that occasion it was nabbing TM rights to acquire a good domain. Nominet were more than happy to vet rights on that occasion (via a 3rd party), seems they've forgotten such an option this time around. If it proved to be a questionable process (as it did), then it was up to Nominet to resolve said process (whatever that may be) on this occasion.

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/whois/87135-questioning-registered-rights-tm-stage.html

As I've said, the time stamp arguement is a crap but convenient one, but if Nominet feel it is too difficult for them then so be it.

 

[anthony]

Would be great to get a statistic from Nominet of how many non .co.uk domain names were transferred between v1 publication and final v3 announcement and how many of those were registered prior to the matching .co.uk. That might go most of the way to demonstrate the level of speculation that occurred.

I agree.