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NEWBIES PLEASE READ AND BEWARE - As a newbie, this is how I was preyed on just last week. Experienced domainers have probably already seen this somewhere here before, but if not, its worth the read. Here's a chain of recent e-mails, going back, with the first here at the top.
begin
RE: SOULSACRAFICE.COM
Hello,
We noticed that you currently sell this domain (correct?).
We are interested in purchasing it. What is your desired price?
If you have other names for sale please email me your domains with prices, especially if you have financial, adult, Hosting and TV related names.
We are looking forward to doing business with you.
Regards,
Mark Reitman
CEO
Website Domain Hosting Inc
end
I responded with the following:
Hello there. Thank you for your inquiry regarding the above referenced
website. Unfortunately, this is one of several sites that I own that I'm
looking to develop.
I suppose I'd consider an offer if you are really interested.
I also have some adult and financial websites that I would entertain offers
for such as...
end
The next day, I got this response:
Vincent,
What do you think about 14,000 USD for your domain name?
Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.
To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and
buyers:
http://www. forum-windows-club .com/ Archive/593842731.htm
Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?
Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.
After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.
What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
Looking forward to your reply.
end
That's there scam - they entice you as a greedy domainer with a high $$$ offer, in hope that you'll order the appraisal, for which he gets a commission or perhaps the whole thing. The scam blog he references points you in the direction of two appraisal companys, both likely scams themeselves.
I responded back the following:
Hello again, I have not had the domain evaluated in the past via appraisal, although based on my experience, I no longer utilize or depend on appraisals, as I have sold domain names in the past for 50X what an appraisal had said, and I have also sold domain names that were sold for a very small fraction of what they were appraised at. A friend also recently order appraisals from two independent agencies and the difference was greater than $10,000.
At the end of the day, the domain is worth what somebody pays for it.
The domain does not currently have a website and exists as just the name at this time, parked at sedo. As such, there is very little traffic to the site at this point, as it requires development and SEO.
With all that being said, I would accept $15,000 USD for the referenced domain name and would begin the transfer process as soon as funds have been cleared via my preferred payment method, Paypal.com. I’d also be agreeable to a potential discount/commission for you, if you secure the $15,000 price and assure that the deal is done in a timely and professional manner. Obviously you’d be paid when the transaction is finalized. Let me know if you accept and I will forward you my paypal information.
He responded with this:
As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first. This is a reasonable practice.
I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only.
I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service.
As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time they can afford to spend on each appraisal.
I wanted to use Afternic.com but looks like this company has a bad reputation. Afternic's appraisal service has a lot of bad reviews.
I was told about manual research service from http://www. DomainMart .com. It costs - $200/hour.
Many experienced sellers suggested us http:// www. AuthorizedAppraisal .com/ as a trustworthy manual service. They charge about 50 euros name not per hour. We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience with this company
end
I responded with this:
How can I be sure this is not an appraisal scam? In fact, quick research on "authorized appraisal" indicates that they are associated with these scams.
...never heard back from him again
Sorry for the length here, but good lesson to be learned!
vinsdomains-com
begin
RE: SOULSACRAFICE.COM
Hello,
We noticed that you currently sell this domain (correct?).
We are interested in purchasing it. What is your desired price?
If you have other names for sale please email me your domains with prices, especially if you have financial, adult, Hosting and TV related names.
We are looking forward to doing business with you.
Regards,
Mark Reitman
CEO
Website Domain Hosting Inc
end
I responded with the following:
Hello there. Thank you for your inquiry regarding the above referenced
website. Unfortunately, this is one of several sites that I own that I'm
looking to develop.
I suppose I'd consider an offer if you are really interested.
I also have some adult and financial websites that I would entertain offers
for such as...
end
The next day, I got this response:
Vincent,
What do you think about 14,000 USD for your domain name?
Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.
To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and
buyers:
http://www. forum-windows-club .com/ Archive/593842731.htm
Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?
Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.
After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.
What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
Looking forward to your reply.
end
That's there scam - they entice you as a greedy domainer with a high $$$ offer, in hope that you'll order the appraisal, for which he gets a commission or perhaps the whole thing. The scam blog he references points you in the direction of two appraisal companys, both likely scams themeselves.
I responded back the following:
Hello again, I have not had the domain evaluated in the past via appraisal, although based on my experience, I no longer utilize or depend on appraisals, as I have sold domain names in the past for 50X what an appraisal had said, and I have also sold domain names that were sold for a very small fraction of what they were appraised at. A friend also recently order appraisals from two independent agencies and the difference was greater than $10,000.
At the end of the day, the domain is worth what somebody pays for it.
The domain does not currently have a website and exists as just the name at this time, parked at sedo. As such, there is very little traffic to the site at this point, as it requires development and SEO.
With all that being said, I would accept $15,000 USD for the referenced domain name and would begin the transfer process as soon as funds have been cleared via my preferred payment method, Paypal.com. I’d also be agreeable to a potential discount/commission for you, if you secure the $15,000 price and assure that the deal is done in a timely and professional manner. Obviously you’d be paid when the transaction is finalized. Let me know if you accept and I will forward you my paypal information.
He responded with this:
As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first. This is a reasonable practice.
I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only.
I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service.
As to the most known brands: the more orders the company gets, the less time they can afford to spend on each appraisal.
I wanted to use Afternic.com but looks like this company has a bad reputation. Afternic's appraisal service has a lot of bad reviews.
I was told about manual research service from http://www. DomainMart .com. It costs - $200/hour.
Many experienced sellers suggested us http:// www. AuthorizedAppraisal .com/ as a trustworthy manual service. They charge about 50 euros name not per hour. We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience with this company
end
I responded with this:
How can I be sure this is not an appraisal scam? In fact, quick research on "authorized appraisal" indicates that they are associated with these scams.
...never heard back from him again
Sorry for the length here, but good lesson to be learned!
vinsdomains-com
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