New domain expiry process and droplists for .uk

[webber]

It's finally happening...

Just in case you haven't received the email from Nominet:
https://registrars.nominet.uk/uk-na...rocess-and-introduction-of-drop-lists-for-uk/

Testbed release: 2022-06-14
Production and OT&E release: 2022-09-13

Domains will:

• no longer drop at random times.
• drop at a specified time published in a daily drop list; the drop list will contain domains which have not been renewed from the point of suspension for non-renewal.
• become available for re-registration by any registrar through the existing Web Domain Manager and EPP systems.

Drop Lists
At the time of the production release, drop lists will go live and be available publicly for anyone to download over HTTPS.
We will update the drop list daily, and the format will include:

• ROID (Repository Object Identifier)
• Domain
• Drop time in UTC

More info here: https://www.acorndomains.co.uk/threads/drop-lists-implementation-working-group-roundtable.173103/

Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) server for .uk
RDAP is the modern computer parseable protocol defined within the IETF to offer a secure data-rich replacement for the insecure plain text-based WHOIS protocol historically used by domain registries.
In time for the launch of expiring domains changes, we will formally launch an RDAP server for the .UK registry. This new service will include a richer data set not shown on WHOIS, such as domain status information.
Read more here: https://www.acorndomains.co.uk/threads/nominet-uk-rdap.173119/

Web WHOIS for .uk will be replaced with a new lookup service utilising RDAP data
We will replace our Web WHOIS client for .uk with a modern user focussed RDAP client designed to not only provide the data currently offered by web WHOIS but also provide helpful information to internet users regarding what the particular data returned means.
You can already find a similar client at webber.biz/rdap

 

[webber]

All domains drop at the same time 00:00 everyday?

No, each domain will drop at a specific time.
RDAP and Web Whois will soon display that time and it should be the same time that the domain was registered.

What impact will this have on the drop domain market?

Impossible to say at this stage. The goals are to reduce the need for fake tags and make the entire thing simpler and more transparent.

 

[webber]

I don't think so, not necessarily.
If your route is stable enough and you can compensate for the latency, then you should have the same chances as anyone else.

 

[diablo]

The goals are to reduce the need for fake tags and make the entire thing fairer

How will it reduce fake Tags?

 

[webber]

How will it reduce fake Tags?

Indirectly, of course. The reason people created fake memberships/tags using friends, employees or business partners, was so that they would increase their DAC allowance.
Since the DAC will no longer be useful for dropcatching, the need for these fake tags is removed.

 

[diablo]

Indirectly, of course. The reason people created fake memberships/tags using friends, employees or business partners, was so that they would increase their DAC allowance.
Since the DAC will no longer be useful for dropcatching, the need for these fake tags is removed.

But if this system is fairer and all Tag holders have roughly equal chance of getting a name, surely the more Tags you have....

 

[webber]

But if this system is fairer and all Tag holders have roughly equal chance of getting a name, surely the more Tags you have....

Yes and no. You will be able to officially request an additional tag if you think it will help (you can do this today), but no need to create a fake membership for the additional DAC

The race is on to find the new EPP exploit.

We already had EPP exploits. One was so effective that for a period of months nobody was able to catch anything meaningful except for the exploiter (I think that's the one Barbara briefly talked about in her webinar)

 

[JamesTuplin]

Im sorry, how on earth this can be seen as a positive step is beyond me. It is a disgrace. Where was the member consultation or final vote on this?

It very much feels like 'this is happening if you like it or not!'.

Publishing the exact drop time, brings even greater competition and even more reasons to collude. The same people with multiple tags also have multiple memberships. They would now have multiple create requests. Send 10 create requests at time of deletion or 100 staggered create requests starting 1/2 a second before (split between tags). Who wins? Answers on a postcard please.

The 'issue' never was the impact on Nominet systems as more server resources could have been added or a window of time in which domains drop, the issue was always tag (membership) collusion and Nominets inability or slowness to act when overwhelming evidence is provided. Perhaps if more time and resources had been spent here instead of ruining it for the vast majority that do play by the rules?.

"The reason people created fake memberships/tags using friends, employees or business partners, was so that they would increase their DAC allowance."

Yes they now have more create requests and they know the EXACT time the domain drops.

 

[JamesTuplin]

The last webinar on this was Thursday, December 02, 2021!

Unless someone else can enlighten me to any other occasion where we have had a vote on this?

 

[JamesTuplin]

The last webinar on this was Thursday, December 02, 2021!

Unless someone else can enlighten me to any other occasion where we have had a vote on this?

Even looking here on Acorn. Nothing.

 

[Paullas]

I agree with James on this Old Nominet new faces.

Can someone explain and point me to the documentation on how Nominet are going to police this. I never seen a members vote around this unless i missed it and if that's the case i will take it back but to yet again push it through without members vote is still back to Nominets old ways.

Also by doing this does Nominet knows exactly who is family members, friends and pets and what tags are being used working together?

 

[Sam]

This is a joke won’t change anything and seems like your happy about it @webber this makes it much harder and I’m sure most people agree this won’t work !


QUOTE="webber, post: 654406, member: 17035"]It's finally happening...

 

[webber]

Im sorry, how on earth this can be seen as a positive step is beyond me. It is a disgrace. Where was the member consultation or final vote on this?

It very much feels like 'this is happening if you like it or not!'.

James, you are right in that this was a Nominet proposal, but members were able to submit their feedback and Nominet has made some changes based on UKRAC and wider membership feedback.
You know very well this was subject to a consultation via the UKRAC and a roundtable open to all members. You took part in the roundtable and submitted questions.
Feedback was accepted by email as well.
Email reminders were sent by Nominet to members requesting their feedback on the proposal and I have personally reached out to some of the dropcatchers I know to ask their thoughts. I expressed my disappointment as to how little engagement there was from the members at the time.

The last webinar on this was Thursday, December 02, 2021!

Unless someone else can enlighten me to any other occasion where we have had a vote on this?

Since then this went through a UKRAC and Board vote which took some time because meetings take place every 6 weeks or so. Following Board approval the product team worked at implementing this, which is all within the expected timeline.

 

[Paullas]

@webber so have you seen or heard anything on how Nominet are going to police it? They have obviously decided its going ahead the way they want it so surly they must have done the checks on WHEN not If people abuse it they know who is doing what?

And what will happen to the Multitags are caught? will the domains be taken back and re release or will it be you got it so you can keep it.

 

[JamesTuplin]

@webber if you were disappointed in how little engagement there was, then surely that suggests that members were not aware and further consultation was required?

As has been in the past, I would have expected a Nominet Webinar asking for feedback on this topic, followed by a formal vote, which would have been sent to every member.

Given the disapproval thus far, are we to understand feedback was ignored?

 

[JamesTuplin]

@webber so have you seen or heard anything on how Nominet are going to police it? They have obviously decided its going ahead the way they want it so surly they must have done the checks on WHEN not If people abuse it they know who is doing what?

And what will happen to the Multitags are caught? will the domains be taken back and re release or will it be you got it so you can keep it.

There is no deterrent to stop them. The 2L domains caught proves this point. They cheated but still own the domains. Where's the deterrent?

 

[Paullas]

Members have been ignored. As i said New Faces Old Nominet Ways. Nothing will change.

 

[Sam]

Members have been ignored. As i said New Faces Old Nominet Ways. Nothing will change.

Yes agree and having this so called committee has not helped the matters. How they approve this is ridiculous. It’s just another way to get rid of dropcatching

 

[webber]

I would also be interested to know if users with multiple TAGS will be restricted to just one of there TAGS having access to the EPP

Having restrictions will inevitably result in fake memberships/tags. Everyone is free to use as many tags as they want if they thing it will help. Nominet is convinced using multiple tags will not make a meaningful difference.

This is a joke won’t change anything and seems like your happy about it @webber this makes it much harder and I’m sure most people agree this won’t work !

I'm not "happy", there are a few of things the UKRAC proposed and were not implemented.

I would have expected a Nominet Webinar asking for feedback on this topic, followed by a formal vote, which would have been sent to every member.

Public consultations are not subject to a vote. I don't make the rules...

Even looking here on Acorn. Nothing.

Multiple threads about this including: https://www.acorndomains.co.uk/threads/your-views-drop-catching-uk.172502/

Members have been ignored.

Members were invited to take part. The engagement from members was disappointing, even when I reached out to them individually. That being said, not all the things members proposed in the consultation were implemented, but at least Nominet did have a reason for doing so, how valid that was is another issue.

@webber so have you seen or heard anything on how Nominet are going to police it?

There is less need to police things because the rules are more relaxed.
The same complaints and investigation procedures remain in place as before.

 

[dee]

WHen does this actually start ? Anyone know ?

EDIT. Never mind.... the big red letters in initial post give it away///FACEPALM

Cant see how this will work. Surely once someone gets the latency and timing spot on its game over for everyone else ?

Is this one where closest to the Nominet server wins ?