HomeInsurance.org.uk sold £7,000 + vat

[DomainManagement]

a great opportunity for the buyer and what potential roi good for both sides

realistic xxx,xxx earnings if achieves top posistions

 

[Frog]

Nice price for the seller for a .org.uk but going to be very hard to rank there with all 10 of the first page results being "brands". I wouldn't have paid £7k+vat for that domain.

I think from an affiliate point of view its going to be too hard to rank to see a reasonable return, and from a brand point of view the .org.uk would make it absolutely worthless.

 

[paul]

Good job you didn't buy it then

 

[Frog]

Did you buy it? or sell it?

So whats your opinion on the domain at that price then...

 

[DomainManagement]

its difficult to explain why one man/women buys but i can tell you that

the week before we had someone on it £12,500 and this can be verified

but they did not commit and Paul did

the domain name give anyone the ability to rub shoulders with the big

boy`s the top earners

everyone will have a different take on how to best develop a domain

but to write off a .org uk its not correct

a good keyword heavy domain gives a great advantage for seo etc

what do you think google prefers

type in Debt Management and what is number 3 DebtManagement.org.uk


if you are going to be building a high yielding site this is not going to happen

overnight, its like build a office block . block of apartments

it takes time to get to the completed stage of your project

the domain that Paul bought is kick ass and if you dont think so

then that`s your opinion, but i am sure that many others will tell you

that its a great domain giving a great opportunity to paul and paul is a very

experienced domainer who has made some great sales himself and had

fantastic sites that he has made very good money from is see that you have

not made many trades and after you do maybe you will have a better feel for

the market


best regards steve

 

[domainseller200]

I think it was sold cheap for £7k

we sold creditcards.org.uk this week for £20k which is just as competitive (if not more) and also pays lower affilate commissions than home insurance

I am sure Paul thinks he has got a bargain when he takes everything else into consideration, and he has already increased it's value since aquiring it.

Great price for both parties in my opinion

 

[Nigel]

I'm amazed at the way .org.uk has taken off. I never thought the public would respond that well to .org.uk in the search results - but that is obviously not the case. These are SEO experts buying these .org.uk domains. So they must be producing returns. If I was the seller of homeinsurance.org.uk then I'd be very pleased with £7k. But Paul knows what he's doing and I think it just about completes his set of insurance domains i.e. carinsurance, holidayinsurance, lifeinsurance etc and quite a few others.

£20k for creditcards.org.uk is an amazing price. Well done - we've got the hyphenated version so that must be worth a few bob now

 

[scooter]

In SEO terms, google does not differntiate between co.uk and org.uk.

In customer terms, I really don't think they care. Sorry that's not true, I really dont think the average surfer will even look at the URL. If the info is relevant and its in the top 5, chances are they are going to pay it a visit.

I think it's only domainers that look at the url at the bottom.

If the customer took time to study the url, google adsense would be non existant compared to the size it is now.


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[Frog]

I could see Google coming down hard on .org.uk and removing the exact match bonus it currently enjoys. From a selfish point of view, I don't want this to happen, but from a realistic point of view it would improve the search results for sure.

Too many people (before you all jump on me, I'm including myself in this group!) are using them as short cuts to rankings that the site does not deserve.

At least exact match .co.uk's add a cost barrier to entry. With .org.uk's being a fair bit lower priced, people are definitely using them to spam their way to undeserved rankings. In all honesty the search results would be better if Google treated a .org.uk like a .info.

Sure people like Oxfam use a .org.uk - but they don't need an exact match bonus, they'll rank just fine for "oxfam" with or without that boost - its only seo's/affiliates/spammers who are going to be hurt.

 

[scooter]

I don't see the logic here. Nominet place no restrictions on org.uk, therefore, I presume google do likewise.

It is not the same for me.uk's.


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[GreyWing]

Dam lol, I thought I held the record for the offer on a org.uk Seems that has been well and truely smashed.

On a positive note good to see the records rising from 6k a year or 2 two ago.

 

[JMOT]

I could see Google coming down hard on .org.uk and removing the exact match bonus it currently enjoys. From a selfish point of view, I don't want this to happen, but from a realistic point of view it would improve the search results for sure.

Too many people (before you all jump on me, I'm including myself in this group!) are using them as short cuts to rankings that the site does not deserve.

At least exact match .co.uk's add a cost barrier to entry. With .org.uk's being a fair bit lower priced, people are definitely using them to spam their way to undeserved rankings. In all honesty the search results would be better if Google treated a .org.uk like a .info.

Sure people like Oxfam use a .org.uk - but they don't need an exact match bonus, they'll rank just fine for "oxfam" with or without that boost - its only seo's/affiliates/spammers who are going to be hurt.

If it's a competitive niche u need to work pretty hard/clever to make any URL rank regardless of it's extension. You also need to build a decent site in order to convert that traffic. That in it's self is a major barrier to most affiliates lol.

What an exact match domain adds more than ever especially lately is mainly the ability to link build on that term without getting a penalty for getting too many links for that term... You with me still? If you are bluewidgets.org.uk you can link build to your hearts content on the term and your Url as the anchor text without getting slapped. You try the same link building method on a non exact brand domain right now.... Many branded sites are getting massively spanked for over optimizing ....

So you simply have market forces at play. .org.uk have been unpopular and undervalued in the aftermarket and amongst oldskool domainers. It's been proven (Frank u can piss off before u say told u so... lol) that consumers don't mind using .org.uk domains. Now the savvy domainers and seo affiliates are using them to build successful web ventures out of them.

Will they ever be as popular as a.co.uk from a user memory, type in and branding perspective? Unlikely...

Play the game

 

[fish]

no idea why ppl are querying the validity of .org.uk (or any other xtension - to a degree) since it boils down to two factors.

first is how much money and time you have to spend on optimising the site to get what you want from it

second is how much money and time you have to spend on optimising the site to get where it needs to be to get what you want from it

 

[Frog]

If it's a competitive niche u need to work pretty hard/clever to make any URL rank regardless of it's extension.

I don't want to out any particular site/niche as I wouldn't like it done to me, but there is some very competitive niches with garbage .org.uk's ranking that shouldn't be in the top 50, imo. Its really not that hard to rank top 10 for nearly anything with an exact match domain, which is why they are so valuable. HomeInsurance just looks less appealing to me because its dominated by so many household domains.

What an exact match domain adds more than ever especially lately is mainly the ability to link build on that term without getting a penalty for getting too many links for that term... You with me still?

But you can link build to homeinsurance.info with a lot of "home insurance" anchors and not risk penalty... its not going to get the exact match the .org.uk gets though. In my opinion, the .info and the .org.uk should be on a level playing field. Lets face it, they're both a poor 2nd choice for people who can't afford the .co.uk - again before you all jump on me, I'm in this boat too.

So you simply have market forces at play. .org.uk have been unpopular and undervalued in the aftermarket and amongst oldskool domainers. It's been proven (Frank u can piss off before u say told u so... lol) that consumers don't mind using .org.uk domains. Now the savvy domainers and seo affiliates are using them to build successful web ventures out of them.

I don't think its been "proven" by anyone at all. One £7k sale doesn't prove anything - its a single data point. I would guess they get slightly less clickthrough in the search results. Consumers clicking them when they rank is one thing - consumers being able to type the url into a browser 3 hours after they read it in a newspaper or heard it on radio, without going to a competitor by mistake, is a whole new ball game altogether.

Will they ever be as popular as a.co.uk from a user memory, type in and branding perspective? Unlikely...

Unlikely? Thats being a bit kind... Its about as unlikely as the Pope converting to a Muslim.

100% agree. As garbage as the domains are, as long as Google are willing to make the big mistake of ranking them well, I am happy to abuse them for my own use.

 

[JMOT]

100% agree. As garbage as the domains are, as long as Google are willing to make the big mistake of ranking them well, I am happy to abuse them for my own use.

There. You have proved yourself to be the root of your own complaint. Not trying to get into a tit for tat here old bean but you are really coming from it all wrong...

Its down to you as a domain owner to build a high quality site that adds value to the user. At the end of the day your income depends on it. If you are peeved with people using exact domains and outranking you maybe you also need to work a little harder on your seo and add more functionality to your own sites...

Users vote with their feet. If one of these crappy .org.uk sites you mention ranks above you dont you think they will have a super high bounce and users will click back to the next listing down??

Dont blame Google. They are not forcing people to build shit sites, cut corners and adopt spammy seo methods. Thats not unique to .org.uk. Its pandemic on all TLD's.

Back on topic: I think £7k was actually pretty cheap. But its going to be a mission to get it page1. Big mission... but one well worth it in the end.

 

[Pred]

Dam lol, I thought I held the record for the offer on a org.uk Seems that has been well and truely smashed.

On a positive note good to see the records rising from 6k a year or 2 two ago.

Frank just sold creditcards.org.uk
i believe that would have pissed all over that record

plus there have been a LOT of xxxx sales this year

when i think of the ones that have gone through my hands
remeber hand regging mobile.org.uk and selling for 800 nicker and thinking i got not bad deal

was offered on here but noone interested at time

 

[GreyWing]

Frank just sold creditcards.org.uk
i believe that would have pissed all over that record

plus there have been a LOT of xxxx sales this year

when i think of the ones that have gone through my hands
remeber hand regging mobile.org.uk and selling for 800 nicker and thinking i got not bad deal

was offered on here but noone interested at time

Yep, mine was an offer of 15k, although I turned it down. They said they'd keep it open so might go back to it. But 20k is a decent price for both buyer and seller.

Ouch on the mobile.org.uk but hindsight in this game would be worth a fortune. I suppose we have all done those type of deals before. But the .org.uk have taken off in the last 12 months, it's just seemed to come from nowhere.

 

[bensd]

So if .org.uk prices are on the rise will this push up the prices of .co.uk? Or is the gap getting smaller?

 

[binny]

when i think of the ones that have gone through my hands
remeber hand regging mobile.org.uk and selling for 800 nicker and thinking i got not bad deal

Aye, I'm cringing at an org.uk which I told someone was unreg'd, I didn't think it was worth the reg fee and it now must be worth £x,xxx

 

[Frog]

There. You have proved yourself to be the root of your own complaint. Not trying to get into a tit for tat here old bean but you are really coming from it all wrong...

I don't think I'm coming at it wrong, I'm just giving Google what they want. I need to eat, so if Google is willing to rank a garbage thin affiliate site on a .org.uk domain that was cheap to buy, I'm more than willing to serve it up



Out of interest, how much would everyone value a domain like poker.org.uk at? Purely from the seo angle, I'm guessing £50k or so for that one...